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Algernon Moncrieff

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Sat Oct 31, 2020, 11:16 AM Oct 2020

Is the race really closer than we think...or not? [View all]

‘People Are Going To Be Shocked’: Return of the ‘Shy’ Trump Voter?

In 2016, months of national polls confidently showed Hillary Clinton ahead, and set many Americans up for a shock on Election Night, when the Electoral College tilted decisively in Trump’s favor. Two pollsters who weren’t blindsided by this are Arie Kapteyn and Robert Cahaly. Kapteyn, a Dutch economist who leads the USC’s Dornsife Center for Economic and Social Research, oversaw the USC/Los Angeles Times poll that gave Trump a 3-point lead heading into election day—which, Kapteyn notes, was wrong: Clinton won the popular vote by 2 points. Cahaly, a Republican pollster with the Trafalgar Group, had preelection surveys that showed Trump nudging out Clinton in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida and North Carolina—all of which he won.


This year, both men believe that polls could again be undercounting Trump’s support. The reason is “shy” Trump voters—people reluctant to share their opinions for fear of being judged. Though the “shy voter” idea is thrown around a lot by both Trump supporters and Democratic skeptics, Kapteyn and Cahaly have specific insights into why, and how, Trump support might be going undetected.

For Cahaly, those votes are likely to make the difference again. “There’s a lot of hidden Trump votes out there,” he says. “Will Biden win the popular vote? Probably. I’m not even debating that. But I think Trump is likely to have an Electoral College victory.”

As an illustration, Kapteyn described what his team at USC sees in its polls. Beyond simply asking voters whether they support Biden or Trump, USC asks a “social-circle” question—“Who do you think your friends and neighbors will vote for?”—which some researchers believe makes it easier for people to share their true opinions without fear of being judged for their views.



On the other hand, Nate Silver says there is no good evidence this thing is closer than the polling indicates



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I think this race is closer than the polling numbers we are seeing
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I think the polling numbers are just about right
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I think this race is more lopsided than the polls indicate
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Yes. No. Cirque du So-What Oct 2020 #1
Polling is meaningless robbob Oct 2020 #11
225,000 dead and counting, Mr Comey. Iggo Oct 2020 #20
I suspect there are far more "shy Biden" voters than shy Trump voters... Wounded Bear Oct 2020 #2
You show an innate trust in America....... MyOwnPeace Oct 2020 #17
In 2016 it was different Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2020 #24
The default position is that the polls are just about right Shermann Oct 2020 #3
It's ALWAYS closer than we think. And there's an explanation. Goodheart Oct 2020 #4
There is truth to that. A lot of people hate Trump Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2020 #12
Just Vote, and Bring Others to the Polls to Vote. MineralMan Oct 2020 #5
I suspect pollsters over-compensated after 2016. Laelth Oct 2020 #6
Rachel Bitcofer has said that they Bettie Oct 2020 #16
I think it's going to be Blowout City. ooky Oct 2020 #7
The only unknown is new voters qazplm135 Oct 2020 #8
Trump will get creamated by an historical margin. nt Binkie The Clown Oct 2020 #9
Yes he will get "creamated" Shermann Oct 2020 #13
I think the Biden/Harris leads might be a bit larger... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #10
You've met the burden of proof Shermann Oct 2020 #14
Maybe. I hope so! Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #15
Yup n/t obamanut2012 Oct 2020 #21
I choose Maru Kitteh Oct 2020 #18
Acting like Biden is 2 points down with a lot of people yet to vote is the right idea Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2020 #23
How about the "shy" Biden voters? mcar Oct 2020 #19
Biden wins by 20 million votes, not a close election. GOP knows and we know beachbumbob Oct 2020 #22
The race could very well be tighter but the chances of success are not lower Amishman Oct 2020 #25
I think Trump is getting stomped but... lame54 Oct 2020 #26
2016, 2018, 2020 Delarage Oct 2020 #27
Trump will have the most votes in history cast against him Generic Brad Oct 2020 #28
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