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Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
41. I'm generally against any moves to make healthcare less accessible
Thu Aug 26, 2021, 01:24 PM
Aug 2021

While there may be situations where it's warranted, I don't have the imagination to come up with those situations. I am assuming the idea of raising the price is to make it hurt to not be vaccinated to the point that they get vaccinated to alleviate the financial suffering. And in cases where they still refuse, the increased premiums would help off-set some of the costs, and in theory prevent the insurance companies from increasing premiums across the board. I suppose we could make the increases a tax rather than just more profit for the insurance company. Those tax funds could then be used to help cover COVID treatment costs.

For that to have any real affect the increases would have to be pretty substantial. Given the mindset of the average anti-vaxxer, how many will cancel their healthcare insurance rather than pay that fee? From what I've seen, most people don't think multiple steps ahead. In their mind they are winning. They are not only saving money, but they are taking stand on their misguided beliefs. So, now we end up with a bunch of uninsured people who are more likely to get COVID. I can also imagine anti-vaxx pseudo "insurance" scam plans similar to those ministry healthcare plans popping up. This won't just affect adults making these decisions either. Those adults have children who will be uninsured. These kids will get hit double time from not having insurance and also most likely not being vaccinated. I don't like seeing children suffer because of their parent's poor decisions. All of these uninsured people will end up costing us more money without the benefit of increasing vaccination rates. At least that is how it plays out in my head.

Even if we limit the increases to an amount that it doesn't push people to the point of dropping their plans, I'm certain a large number would do it in principle. The amount of funds collected would be minimal to the point of having limited effect on paying for the extra costs, and would likely have minimal effect on vaccination rates.

I would much rather use the carrot method. Carrots are not only delicious, but also a great source of beta-carotene that helps improve our foresight. People like money. Give refundable tax credits to people who are vaccinated. Sure that will cost money, but compare that the potential savings it would have if we can snuff out COVID for the most part. Actually, I would probably make it something more immediate than just tax credits to counter people who have a problem thinking more abstractly. Maybe send out checks immediately. People seeing their neighbors get a $500 check (or whatever) for getting the vaccination would be a huge motivator. Some people might even have a change of heart on their "deeply held" convictions about vaccines.

I apologize for the incoherent stream of thoughts above.

I agree but... JT45242 Aug 2021 #1
It isn't that it is a pre-existing condition - Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #9
Being unvaccinated is not a health condition. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #36
It doesn't matter what you believe - Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #40
Agree. But that sets precedent for charging people more for weight, alcohol, not exercising, etc. Hoyt Aug 2021 #2
Yes, as long as it doesn't lead to a slippery slope frazzled Aug 2021 #3
Employer-based health plans governed by the ACA can impose surcharges Ocelot II Aug 2021 #4
Agreed. Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #8
LOLOL! ShazzieB Aug 2021 #37
Health insurance should have a "points" system like auto insurance Klaralven Aug 2021 #5
No it's a slippery and steep slope (n/t) luv2fly Aug 2021 #6
It's a slope that banned from existing fescuerescue Aug 2021 #25
Under the PPACA, employers cannot do that. Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #7
Is the choice not to receive a vaccine a condition? Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2021 #10
In general, there are ony 5 reasons for disparate charges Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #12
refusing a vaccination is in the same boat as smoking.... groundloop Aug 2021 #27
The category is smoking, not "personal choice to put your own well being at risk" Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #28
Won't get far in court fescuerescue Aug 2021 #15
Why, after battling for years sarisataka Aug 2021 #11
Exactly. This is exactly one of the changes to ACA that the Republicans tried to pass fescuerescue Aug 2021 #14
+1 demmiblue Aug 2021 #18
+1 leftstreet Aug 2021 #26
They can't. That is illegal fescuerescue Aug 2021 #13
I hear what you are saying. Here is my thought. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2021 #16
Any law can be changed fescuerescue Aug 2021 #24
Being unvaccinated is not a preexisting condition Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2021 #38
"pre-existing condition" is just a colloquial shorthand fescuerescue Aug 2021 #42
Do you have anything to back it up? LiberalFighter Aug 2021 #21
Yes. It's all here. fescuerescue Aug 2021 #23
I agree with the idea in principle, but what would follow would be horrible. Coventina Aug 2021 #17
They already do for some. LiberalFighter Aug 2021 #20
Vaccinated should not pay for the stupidity of others. LiberalFighter Aug 2021 #19
Cigarette smokers already pay an insurance surcharge for their future likelihood of disease... Hekate Aug 2021 #22
Unvaccinated people will cost insurance companies more ripcord Aug 2021 #29
It's not like asking people to give up fritos and cupcakes for life Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2021 #39
Mine does for smokers UTUSN Aug 2021 #30
No but conditional on giving them a choice between the ACA, or financial ruin. denbot Aug 2021 #31
Not an issue at my company. GulfCoast66 Aug 2021 #32
Good company you work for. Elessar Zappa Aug 2021 #33
Voted yes, my job is making everybody anyways... RANDYWILDMAN Aug 2021 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2021 #35
I'm generally against any moves to make healthcare less accessible Sapient Donkey Aug 2021 #41
I don't think they're allowed to based on ACA law ecstatic Aug 2021 #43
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