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H2O Man

(73,723 posts)
37. Interesting.
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 11:53 AM
Oct 2021

That is distinct from my understanding of the OP. I think it is entirely focused on the food options available for low-income communities, including in urban and rural areas. I admit from the giddy-up that I'm not an expert on cities, and agree that there are almost certainly grocery stores in most -- even all! -- cities. But that does not equate to there being grocery stores in low-income neighborhoods. It would be as short-sighted to say that low-income citizens could always drive to where those higher-quality and -priced grocery stores are, as to say that everyone can use their drivers licenses as voter ID. For drivers licenses are a tad more rarely found in low-income neighborborhoods, as are automobiles.

I won't debate if dollar stores were intended to sell groceries or not. Certainly, things change. In my youth, most communities had gas stations and Mom-n-Pops stores with some groceries and things like batteries and penny candy. In the 1970s, these were largely extinct. In the 1980s, Red Barrel stores became common, offering gas, groceries, pizza, subs, beer, smokes, cat and dog food, etc. Local towns had grocery stores, of course, but for someone needing gas and one or two items, these new stores were handy.

In the 1990s, Wal-Marts started popping up. One could be found within twenty miles of where ever one was. During the George W. Bush years, the middle economic class would increasingly do their grocery shopping at Wal-Mart. The majority of the grocerie stores in local towns went out of business. This increased the pace of dollar stores in the villages and towns here in upstate New York. I am unaware of any that do not sell groceries, as well as batteries, beer, smokes, pet foods, etc. Thus, whatever the original intent may have been, the reality is that low-income folks in rural communities -- who do not have the option of frequent twenty mile drives to the nearest Wal-Mart -- absolutely use dollar stores for a significant amount of their grocery shopping.

There is one dollar store in the three-county area I inhabit that does offer a good selection of fresh fruits and vegetables, I am told. But that serves one very small community. Most sell the types of things that do not provide for all around healthy diets. Now, caring about the needs of low-income populations has largely gone out of style since the 1960s. We are in a colder, less-caring social environment. One can debate if LBJ's Great Society programs assisted people in escaping poverty, or if they created huge, top-heavy bureaucracies that self-perpetuated self-growth. That is a valid topic for discussion.

It connects, of course, with other important issues. Why don't children from low-income families tend to have more problems in schools? Providing free breakfasts and lunches is important. The school district that I served on the BOE was doing so during the summer months, until covid. The virus caused internet learning, denying this option even during the school year. Thus, even good programs are not perfect. There are no easy answers.

I grew up poor. My children think it's a giggle that I refuse to eat pancakes, something that made for breakfast, lunch, and supper too frequently when we lived in town. Moving rurally allowed us to garden, raise a couple cows, and harvest "wild" foods, such as apples, strawberries, and blu- and blackberries. A healthy diet changes children's lives. There can be the option of "community gardens" in towns and cities. Not perfect, of course, but with real potential.

Maybe I am a product of the era I lived through. Feeding the poor matters to me. I hope it comes back into style.

The Truth About Those Dollar Stores [View all] NurseJackie Oct 2021 OP
Never. H2O Man Oct 2021 #1
Bottom line is no matter what, people will find something to complain about, jimfields33 Oct 2021 #12
Interesting. H2O Man Oct 2021 #37
Good response. Kingofalldems Oct 2021 #40
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2021 #51
I'm in San Antonio and you pretty much need a car here, even to get to a dollar stores LeftInTX Oct 2021 #53
Thanks for this! H2O Man Oct 2021 #56
There is a Dollar Tree.. luvs2sing Oct 2021 #2
Dollar Tree is the star of the cheap stores, they have the best stock. lark Oct 2021 #3
That's when I go, holiday season Freddie Oct 2021 #17
I can't afford to save that much money! Mopar151 Oct 2021 #4
Until the pandemic UpInArms Oct 2021 #5
Like any other stores Sherman A1 Oct 2021 #6
Yep. They're good for cleaning supplies and hair accessories, too. GoCubsGo Oct 2021 #31
Never these days...I did in the past when I was essentially homeless... Wounded Bear Oct 2021 #7
I grew up in the 50's and early 60's - so this is for Baby Boomers FakeNoose Oct 2021 #8
The entire type of store was known as a "five and dime" from the depression forward... hlthe2b Oct 2021 #10
My mother said "5 and 10" Polybius Oct 2021 #49
Here in Huntsville, we had two Woolworths at two different malls. House of Roberts Oct 2021 #13
Yes, we called them dime stores also, never knew why. yonder Oct 2021 #20
5 and dime Crepuscular Oct 2021 #24
Thanks, I'll go with Kresge's, though it doesn't have the mental "feel" yonder Oct 2021 #27
i lived in kresge country, but yeah. mopinko Oct 2021 #23
I went in to buy some candy for Halloween last year--for the first time. hlthe2b Oct 2021 #9
You're right about that FakeNoose Oct 2021 #14
That's an important distinction! Cheaper is not always a bargain. NurseJackie Oct 2021 #16
I think the smaller sizes allows the poor to buy a lil bit to get by Demovictory9 Oct 2021 #42
I have a Family Dollar four blocks from my house. House of Roberts Oct 2021 #11
We have an alternate to the dollar stores nearby called Totally Tunsie Oct 2021 #15
Dollar Stores are the Facebook of retail Politicub Oct 2021 #18
I enjoyed reading your post. Thanks. NurseJackie Oct 2021 #19
Thank you for the feedback. Politicub Oct 2021 #26
Good to know LeftInTX Oct 2021 #55
I think a Dollar store means a town or neighborhood has failed Ron Green Oct 2021 #21
Maybe true in rural areas? Sympthsical Oct 2021 #28
That cannot be true. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #43
There are 2 issues, I believe: Ron Green Oct 2021 #46
When I was a travel nurse Jilly_in_VA Oct 2021 #22
i've only shopped there a few times. mopinko Oct 2021 #25
Funny story about this Sympthsical Oct 2021 #29
a ceramic plate? mopinko Oct 2021 #38
I have only walked through one of those stores a few times. iscooterliberally Oct 2021 #30
Awesome is actually really good. Ka-Dinh Oy Oct 2021 #39
We go frequently... radicalleft Oct 2021 #32
I like them, shop there weekly and know how to shop there as the article stresses. Kaleva Oct 2021 #33
I like Dollar Tree . pidge Oct 2021 #34
I used to go in the Dollar General store mnhtnbb Oct 2021 #35
It's a 24 mile round trip to DG. It's a 90 mile round trip to the bigger grocery stores. Kaleva Oct 2021 #36
You is out in the boonies...LOL LeftInTX Oct 2021 #62
I live north of Wisconsin in the western part of Upper Michigan Kaleva Oct 2021 #63
My parents' place was west of Minocqua and east of Park Falls in Chequamegon Natl Forest LeftInTX Oct 2021 #64
I sometimes drive through Minocqua on the way to Wausau or Rochester MN Kaleva Oct 2021 #66
I care for 2 feral kitties that survived the fire that hit our mobile home park... MerryBlooms Oct 2021 #41
I peruse the offerings more out of curiosity 48656c6c6f20 Oct 2021 #44
I try to buy cards there, and almond cookies. babylonsister Oct 2021 #45
I buy my stretch jeans, shorts and anklets from Family Dollar! Can't find these anywhere else! LeftInTX Oct 2021 #47
I read the article and didn't see why it could be bad Polybius Oct 2021 #48
They have replaced some grocery stores in some places. LeftInTX Oct 2021 #52
The Dollar General Near My Golf Course... ProfessorGAC Oct 2021 #50
I buy drinkware there jmowreader Oct 2021 #54
I love dollar stores. 🙂 👍 no Raine Oct 2021 #57
Dollar Tree is a great place to get hardcover books. Here are some other ideas cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Oct 2021 #59
Dollar General is not a dollar store lame54 Oct 2021 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Oct 2021 #61
LOL, I'm in a bougie neighborhood in a bougie city. maxsolomon Oct 2021 #65
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