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Emrys

(7,292 posts)
32. Without wishing to tempt fate, nor have I.
Sat Jan 21, 2023, 12:41 AM
Jan 2023

The situation's more dynamic and a bit less gloomy that the OP paints.

Tomorrow sees a major meeting of NATO and its allies at Ramstein where more aid is certain to be agreed to culminate a week when large tranches of new weaponry supplies for Ukraine have been announced from a variety of countries.

The log jam over supplies of tanks looks like it may be breaking after the UK announced its supply of Challengers. More long-range artillery - arguably more critical than tanks - is being supplied and of very good quality. Large numbers of Ukrainian troops are being trained in NATO countries and will arrive on the battlefield fresh and well equipped in due course.

The Wagner forces are suffering vast attrition in battle for very few gains. Assessments vary, but thousands of the 50,000 mercenary troops quoted above have been eliminated. Another troll of the Russian prisons to top up their ranks is likely to make scraping the bottom of a barrel look more productive. The toll on the Ukrainains has also been costly, but not in the same ball park.

Russia's domestic politics are increasingly in turmoil, with Putin fearful of Wagner chief Prigozhin, who Putin can't afford to see fail, but whose successes in any military manoeuvres make him more of a leadership threat. The relatively mild weather in most of Europe this winter has defused Putin's blackmail attempts over oil and gas supplies and the rouble's tanking again. Locations in Russia far from the border keep going up in flames or spectacular firework shows for whatever reasons ...

Belarus is very reluctant to get involved directly. Internally, it can't afford the schisms direct involvement in the armed conflict would worsen, and internal dissent would likely grow to an alarming extent for what is an illegitimate regime going though hard economic times. Poland would be very jumpy about any adventures near its borders with Belarus and Ukraine. The land any northern attack on Ukraine in the direction of Lviv would have to navigate has very restricted roads and is generally flooded marshland when it's not frozen.

It's not a rosy picture, but not as doomy as set out above. Couple that with the proven vastly superior military leadership of the Ukrainian forces, and I think some unpleasant surprises are in store for Putin as the year progresses.

I don't see sources confirming Umerov as being a key insider Kaleva Jan 2023 #1
So you don't believe any of his claims? WarGamer Jan 2023 #2
May God help Zelensky and his people. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #3
Many of us saw this coming. WarGamer Jan 2023 #5
Maybe this is why no one wants to give Zelensky tanks? Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #6
I see so many historical comparisons. WarGamer Jan 2023 #8
You and I know enough WWII military history to know what this sounds like. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #11
Sad. Just dreadful. WarGamer Jan 2023 #12
Why do you think NATO won't help Ukraine win this? Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #13
Two possibilities WarGamer Jan 2023 #14
The experts I have been listening to seem to think Putin is just threatening nukes. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #16
Every time I see thermobaric I read it as thermobarbaric. JanMichael Jan 2023 #46
+ 1 nt pazzyanne Jan 2023 #20
I doubt it InstantGratification Jan 2023 #30
It's not about artillery. It is about whether or not NATO will support Ukraine. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #34
Is the guy sn insider or not? He looks to be a low level member of Parliament Kaleva Jan 2023 #43
NBC story re: massive build up in Belarus. WarGamer Jan 2023 #4
If "preemptive strikes" were good enough for Israel in the 60s, they should be good for NATO now. nt Samrob Jan 2023 #7
I'm sure NATO is thinking... thermonuclear global war or "targeted strikes" WarGamer Jan 2023 #9
They are over thinking. Target their nukes and have at it. Either that or democracy dies Samrob Jan 2023 #24
From the same group that planned the initial 3 Day invasion of Ukraine. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #10
It is what Stalin did very successfully in WWII against the Germans. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #15
Stalin had the US supplying him weaponry and the Soviets were on home turf. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #17
Russia has occupied parts of Ukraine, so it is home turf to some extent. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #19
+1. Putin knows the West's love for Ukraine has a shelf life and is not unlimited dalton99a Jan 2023 #22
Putin is banking on this. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #23
That is a terrible bet, as the US and NATO resolve will not break. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #27
I hope you are right. How Ukraine uses weapons is not the issue. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #33
Putin orangecrush Jan 2023 #29
To the contrary, Russia has used up much of their conventional military capacity and they Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #26
As I said above. Tactics are not the major issue. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #35
Absolutely untrue. The US and our NATO allies have been and will continued give Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #39
The US and NATO have dragged their feet just giving Ukraine enough weapons to keep fighting. Lonestarblue Jan 2023 #18
Not remotely factual. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #40
I haven't seen any evidence that russia could pull it off joe_stampingbull Jan 2023 #21
Same. I'm skeptical that they have the personnel, arms or organization to do this LymphocyteLover Jan 2023 #25
Without wishing to tempt fate, nor have I. Emrys Jan 2023 #32
+1 excellent points. The GOP support of Russia bronxiteforever Jan 2023 #45
In the end, realpolitik means any prospective Putin allies have to ask themselves Emrys Jan 2023 #50
All Putin needs to do here is trick Ukraine away from Crimea. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Jan 2023 #28
YAWN orangecrush Jan 2023 #31
If Putin wins the war in Ukraine, it is the final chapter in the Cold War. Putin wins. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #37
Putin is losing the final stages of the Cold War--and quite badly. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #41
I hope NATO feels the same way. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #42
Clearly, they do. All the countries of Europe understand the threat--and especially those that Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #56
It's worth considering for a minute what "taking control" of Eastern Europe Emrys Jan 2023 #47
Putin wants to be a global superpower, but first must get regional control. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #49
Putin is barely in control of the Russian Federation! Emrys Jan 2023 #52
Did Germany relent and give Zelensky the tanks overnight while I was sleeping? Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #53
OK, sidestep my other comments because they don't fit in with your gloomy world view. Emrys Jan 2023 #55
Sweden is sending some stuff... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2023 #58
The US and NATO are giving and have been giving Ukraine what they need ahead of the moment Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #57
I hope Putin thinks we have stopped arming Ukraine Captain Zero Jan 2023 #38
Europe is going to be forced to decide if they will allow Russia to take one of their countries. Renew Deal Jan 2023 #44
If it's the subject of a news article how big of a secret could it be? marmar Jan 2023 #48
WarGamer I think I figured out one possible scenario. Irish_Dem Jan 2023 #51
wish there was some way to talk to the prisoner regiment Takket Jan 2023 #54
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