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In reply to the discussion: Should assault rifle lapel pins be allowed on the House floor? [View all]old as dirt
(1,972 posts)85. Here's a free speech boomer from Des Moines (Mary Beth Tinker)
Last edited Sun Feb 12, 2023, 06:23 PM - Edit history (2)
There's a difference between free speech and invading the rights of others.
An Iowa school suspended a student for wearing a T-shirt depicting a gun. Now she's suing
Des Moines Register
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Mary Beth Tinker: Some clothing bans OK
Mary Beth Tinker talked about free speech issues to students from various high schools in Iowa during a program making the 50th anniversary of the Tinker vs Des Moines free speech case in 2019 at the State Historical Society of Iowa building in Des Moines.
The student's lawsuit draws many parallels to Tinker vs. Des Moines, which began in 1965 when lead plaintiff Mary Beth Tinker, then a 13-year-old student at what is now Des Moines' Warren Harding Middle School, was suspended along with other students for wearing black armbands after a school board order not to.
Yet Tinker herself told the Des Moines Register she thinks the Johnston district is likely to win if the lawsuit reaches a judgment on the merits.
"Under (the Tinker decision), there is ample room for the censorship of messages that impinge on the rights of others, the often-overlooked second part of the Tinker test," Tinker said in an email, pointing to the Supreme Court's holding that "conduct by the student ... which for any reason ... involves substantial disorder or invasion of the rights of others is, of course, not immunized by the constitutional guarantee of freedom of speech."
Tinker said she believes wearing a shirt to school depicting a gun might constitute such an invasion of the rights of others, not just of other students, but of teachers, staff and visitors to the school.
But another expert, Adam Steinbaugh, an attorney for the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, said he doubts a court would accept that argument.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2023/02/08/pro-gun-rights-t-shirt-prompts-suspension-iowa-student-sues-schools-second-amendment-free-speech/69881634007/
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Yeah, I like this one, too, as a reminder that pro-life extends beyond the womb.
CrispyQ
Feb 2023
#39
If there's no free speech on the house floor, there's no free speech anywhere.
bluedigger
Feb 2023
#7
Unless the pins shoot real tiny bullets, why not let the assholes label themselves as such?
Silent3
Feb 2023
#8
Unless you going to convince the Alito court that these pins are not speech or debate...
Thomas Hurt
Feb 2023
#16
They said the same thing about gay marriage, especially after Bowers v Hardwick (1986)
old as dirt
Feb 2023
#47
Not sure what gay marriage has to do with your fantasies of illegally suppressing speech?
tritsofme
Feb 2023
#49
Yes, and hopefully media cameras will zoom in on them during meetings & campaigns
Jrose
Feb 2023
#18
You mentioned a particular friend who wanted to know personal information about me. (nt)
old as dirt
Feb 2023
#72
I see an assault rifle pin the same way I see someone wearing an assault rifle in puplic.
Biophilic
Feb 2023
#46
I disagree only about the "pro-censorship attitude creeping all over everything."
Scrivener7
Feb 2023
#92
When it comes to the rubber meeting the road, the AR-15 style rifle is the majority/plurality prefer
keithbvadu2
Feb 2023
#97
Between this poll the confederate flag thread, and the 2d Amendment t-shirt thread
hardluck
Feb 2023
#108
Yes. They should wear whatever accessories they want. It says more about their morals than anything
Autumn
Feb 2023
#124
It's a useful ornament to identify those who I would not shake hands with. And, ...
JustABozoOnThisBus
Feb 2023
#125