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jimmy the one

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44. Electoral College Abolition Amendment 1969
Sun Jul 2, 2023, 02:52 PM
Jul 2023
That Act needs to be countermanded. If the size of the House is allowed to expand to a smaller number of citizens per rep to better reflect the interests of founders like James Madison who wanted close contact of reps with constituents, the EC problem could disappear.

A voter in Wyoming has 4 to 5 times the electoral power per capita of a voter from Calif, Florida, Texas or New York, and more electoral power than the other states as well, but at a lesser strength than 4 to 1.

Bills have been introduced in the US Congress on several occasions to amend the US Constitution to abolish or to reduce the power of the Electoral College and to provide for the direct popular election of the US president and vice president.

The presidential election of 1968 resulted in Nixon receiving 301 electoral votes (56% of electors), Humphrey 191 (35.5%), and George Wallace 46 (8.5%) with 13.5% of the popular vote. However, Nixon had received only 511,944 more popular votes than Humphrey, 43.5% to 42.9%, less than 1% of the national total.
... introducing House Joint Resolution 681, a proposed constitutional amendment to replace the Electoral College with a simpler two-round system based on the national popular vote similar to that used in French presidential elections. The proposed system would have the pair of candidates who received the highest number of votes win the presidency and the vice presidency if they won at least 40% of the national popular vote
.. April 29, 1969, the House Judiciary Committee voted 28 to 6 to approve the proposal
.. Oct 8, 1969, the New York Times reported that 30 state legislatures were "either certain or likely to approve a constitutional amendment embodying the direct election plan if it passes its final Congressional test in the Senate." Ratification of 38 state legislatures would have been needed for adoption.
..Aug 14, 1970, the Senate Judiciary Committee sent its report advocating passage of the proposal to the full Senate. The Judiciary Committee had approved the proposal by a vote of 11 to 6
.. Sept 8, 1970, Senate commenced open debate on the proposal, but it was quickly filibustered. The lead objectors to the proposal were mostly southern senators and conservatives from small states, both Democrats and Republicans, who argued that abolishing the Electoral College would reduce their states' political influence. On Sept 17, 1970, a motion for cloture received 54 votes to 36 [but] failed to receive the required two-thirds majority of senators voting. A second motion for cloture on Sep 29, 1970, also failed by 53 to 34. Thereafter, Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield of Montana moved to lay the proposal aside.. However, the proposal was never considered again and died when the 91st Congress ended on January 3, 1971.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_abolition_amendment#:~:text=Electoral%20College%20Abolition%20Amendment%20(1969)&text=However%2C%20Nixon%20had%20received%20only,1%25%20of%20the%20national%20total.

Damn.
The Problem with the Electoral College is that it says one thing and does another. SalamanderSleeps Jul 2023 #1
There's a bigger problem with reducing the size of Congressional constituencies... Bucky Jul 2023 #2
We have by far the largest consituency per representative of any democracy outside India dsc Jul 2023 #38
we're way overdue to expand the house. mopinko Jul 2023 #3
yes Model35mech Jul 2023 #4
We'd have to rebuild the capital. Definitely cut wages and bennies. jimfields33 Jul 2023 #6
I dont think a few thousand more Federal employees would break the bank Model35mech Jul 2023 #8
The military budget won't drop until countries can provide their own defense jimfields33 Jul 2023 #9
THe military budget is actually insatiable, they'll keep taking as long as Congress Model35mech Jul 2023 #10
While they DO need to increase spending, the US will ALWAYS have to be the main force oldsoftie Jul 2023 #30
I dont think that's written in stone Model35mech Jul 2023 #36
Eu nations Do need to pay more, but defense spending ranks are not legit. oldsoftie Jul 2023 #45
I see. I don't have the secret numbers Model35mech Jul 2023 #47
Its not a "secret". Unless you never try to find it. oldsoftie Jul 2023 #52
But you said they are not honest numbers Model35mech Jul 2023 #53
I guess you're just confused. $ spent is apples/oranges oldsoftie Jul 2023 #54
those salaries aint that much ppl. mopinko Jul 2023 #14
I've seen the exact same thing; people spending every dime of a big salary. oldsoftie Jul 2023 #33
Allen is a smart, accomplished lady and worth reading 4dog Jul 2023 #25
It's a bigger problem than just the EC unweird Jul 2023 #5
At present it's impossible for reps to really closely know their constituents' Model35mech Jul 2023 #7
Face it, apportioning Congressional seats while maintaining a fair Electoral College allegorical oracle Jul 2023 #11
One solution to the problem of Reps not knowing their voters is term limits Bucky Jul 2023 #12
term limits experience and knowledge have no value. mopinko Jul 2023 #16
the biggest problem our country has is named Rupert Murdoch Glorfindel Jul 2023 #21
Source? bucolic_frolic Jul 2023 #13
Me Model35mech Jul 2023 #15
Your ability to be privy to the thinking of the Founding Fathers bucolic_frolic Jul 2023 #18
I have a fairly decent memory. Back in 2016 a bad EC was a thing Model35mech Jul 2023 #27
Problem is EC is in Constitution. The Constitution needs to be revised, but who is going to do it, Silent Type Jul 2023 #17
The EC doesn't need to change to do this, just the Reapportionment Act Model35mech Jul 2023 #31
Reapportionment is now up to the Commerce Dept. Since 1929 oldsoftie Jul 2023 #35
The apportionment of the capped number. Model35mech Jul 2023 #37
Maybe not, but what are chances of Congress changing the 435 if it helps Blue states? 0. Silent Type Jul 2023 #48
That's true for moving EVERY bill through Congress Model35mech Jul 2023 #49
Base it on the population of states with one representative. greymattermom Jul 2023 #19
The framers of the Constitution realized this NotASurfer Jul 2023 #20
Yes Model35mech Jul 2023 #32
The advantages of opening up the house Old Crank Jul 2023 #22
One solution would be to base the size of a House district on the population on the least populated dflprincess Jul 2023 #23
Yes, and the depopulation of rural areas Warpy Jul 2023 #24
3 votes from Wyoming would be wiped out by better representation in CA or NY Model35mech Jul 2023 #34
The number of EC votes would remain proportional. House of Roberts Jul 2023 #26
The ancient and discriminatory EC is long overdue to go away Bayard Jul 2023 #28
The Senate moniss Jul 2023 #29
I think they did envision smaller states. former9thward Jul 2023 #40
Point well taken moniss Jul 2023 #51
The territories are not represented in the Electoral College. former9thward Jul 2023 #39
true but the territories have representation Model35mech Jul 2023 #41
National Popular Vote mvymvy Jul 2023 #42
THE GREAT COMPROMISE... Model35mech Jul 2023 #43
Electoral College Abolition Amendment 1969 jimmy the one Jul 2023 #44
These arguments are based on proportions of a rep per person not actual counts Model35mech Jul 2023 #46
The problem with the Electoral College is that it exists. DavidDvorkin Jul 2023 #50
It's outdated and needs to be done away with. Emile Jul 2023 #55
Sounds good but we'd run into a funding issue, so salaries would have ecstatic Jul 2023 #56
If it should be done, and it gets done, there will be funding Model35mech Jul 2023 #57
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