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In reply to the discussion: Problem of the Electoral College is the size of Congress [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)44. Electoral College Abolition Amendment 1969
That Act needs to be countermanded. If the size of the House is allowed to expand to a smaller number of citizens per rep to better reflect the interests of founders like James Madison who wanted close contact of reps with constituents, the EC problem could disappear.
A voter in Wyoming has 4 to 5 times the electoral power per capita of a voter from Calif, Florida, Texas or New York, and more electoral power than the other states as well, but at a lesser strength than 4 to 1.
Bills have been introduced in the US Congress on several occasions to amend the US Constitution to abolish or to reduce the power of the Electoral College and to provide for the direct popular election of the US president and vice president.
The presidential election of 1968 resulted in Nixon receiving 301 electoral votes (56% of electors), Humphrey 191 (35.5%), and George Wallace 46 (8.5%) with 13.5% of the popular vote. However, Nixon had received only 511,944 more popular votes than Humphrey, 43.5% to 42.9%, less than 1% of the national total.
... introducing House Joint Resolution 681, a proposed constitutional amendment to replace the Electoral College with a simpler two-round system based on the national popular vote similar to that used in French presidential elections. The proposed system would have the pair of candidates who received the highest number of votes win the presidency and the vice presidency if they won at least 40% of the national popular vote
.. April 29, 1969, the House Judiciary Committee voted 28 to 6 to approve the proposal
.. Oct 8, 1969, the New York Times reported that 30 state legislatures were "either certain or likely to approve a constitutional amendment embodying the direct election plan if it passes its final Congressional test in the Senate." Ratification of 38 state legislatures would have been needed for adoption.
..Aug 14, 1970, the Senate Judiciary Committee sent its report advocating passage of the proposal to the full Senate. The Judiciary Committee had approved the proposal by a vote of 11 to 6
.. Sept 8, 1970, Senate commenced open debate on the proposal, but it was quickly filibustered. The lead objectors to the proposal were mostly southern senators and conservatives from small states, both Democrats and Republicans, who argued that abolishing the Electoral College would reduce their states' political influence. On Sept 17, 1970, a motion for cloture received 54 votes to 36 [but] failed to receive the required two-thirds majority of senators voting. A second motion for cloture on Sep 29, 1970, also failed by 53 to 34. Thereafter, Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield of Montana moved to lay the proposal aside.. However, the proposal was never considered again and died when the 91st Congress ended on January 3, 1971.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_abolition_amendment#:~:text=Electoral%20College%20Abolition%20Amendment%20(1969)&text=However%2C%20Nixon%20had%20received%20only,1%25%20of%20the%20national%20total.
Damn.
A voter in Wyoming has 4 to 5 times the electoral power per capita of a voter from Calif, Florida, Texas or New York, and more electoral power than the other states as well, but at a lesser strength than 4 to 1.
Bills have been introduced in the US Congress on several occasions to amend the US Constitution to abolish or to reduce the power of the Electoral College and to provide for the direct popular election of the US president and vice president.
The presidential election of 1968 resulted in Nixon receiving 301 electoral votes (56% of electors), Humphrey 191 (35.5%), and George Wallace 46 (8.5%) with 13.5% of the popular vote. However, Nixon had received only 511,944 more popular votes than Humphrey, 43.5% to 42.9%, less than 1% of the national total.
... introducing House Joint Resolution 681, a proposed constitutional amendment to replace the Electoral College with a simpler two-round system based on the national popular vote similar to that used in French presidential elections. The proposed system would have the pair of candidates who received the highest number of votes win the presidency and the vice presidency if they won at least 40% of the national popular vote
.. April 29, 1969, the House Judiciary Committee voted 28 to 6 to approve the proposal
.. Oct 8, 1969, the New York Times reported that 30 state legislatures were "either certain or likely to approve a constitutional amendment embodying the direct election plan if it passes its final Congressional test in the Senate." Ratification of 38 state legislatures would have been needed for adoption.
..Aug 14, 1970, the Senate Judiciary Committee sent its report advocating passage of the proposal to the full Senate. The Judiciary Committee had approved the proposal by a vote of 11 to 6
.. Sept 8, 1970, Senate commenced open debate on the proposal, but it was quickly filibustered. The lead objectors to the proposal were mostly southern senators and conservatives from small states, both Democrats and Republicans, who argued that abolishing the Electoral College would reduce their states' political influence. On Sept 17, 1970, a motion for cloture received 54 votes to 36 [but] failed to receive the required two-thirds majority of senators voting. A second motion for cloture on Sep 29, 1970, also failed by 53 to 34. Thereafter, Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield of Montana moved to lay the proposal aside.. However, the proposal was never considered again and died when the 91st Congress ended on January 3, 1971.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_abolition_amendment#:~:text=Electoral%20College%20Abolition%20Amendment%20(1969)&text=However%2C%20Nixon%20had%20received%20only,1%25%20of%20the%20national%20total.
Damn.
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The Problem with the Electoral College is that it says one thing and does another.
SalamanderSleeps
Jul 2023
#1
There's a bigger problem with reducing the size of Congressional constituencies...
Bucky
Jul 2023
#2
We have by far the largest consituency per representative of any democracy outside India
dsc
Jul 2023
#38
The military budget won't drop until countries can provide their own defense
jimfields33
Jul 2023
#9
THe military budget is actually insatiable, they'll keep taking as long as Congress
Model35mech
Jul 2023
#10
While they DO need to increase spending, the US will ALWAYS have to be the main force
oldsoftie
Jul 2023
#30
At present it's impossible for reps to really closely know their constituents'
Model35mech
Jul 2023
#7
Face it, apportioning Congressional seats while maintaining a fair Electoral College
allegorical oracle
Jul 2023
#11
Problem is EC is in Constitution. The Constitution needs to be revised, but who is going to do it,
Silent Type
Jul 2023
#17
Maybe not, but what are chances of Congress changing the 435 if it helps Blue states? 0.
Silent Type
Jul 2023
#48
One solution would be to base the size of a House district on the population on the least populated
dflprincess
Jul 2023
#23
3 votes from Wyoming would be wiped out by better representation in CA or NY
Model35mech
Jul 2023
#34
These arguments are based on proportions of a rep per person not actual counts
Model35mech
Jul 2023
#46