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Pototan

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Sat Aug 5, 2023, 09:51 PM Aug 2023

No group has done more to harm their own cause than the Green Party USA [View all]

As I understand it, the Green Party was created to advance the cause of advocating for the environment.

As it turns out, no organization has done more to harm the environment, world peace and Democracy than the Green Party in America. I know that was not their intent (the road to hell is paved with good intentions). I know that their participation in general elections and the eventual outcomes are "unintended consequences", but "them's the facts", so to speak.

In the year 2000, one of the world's pre-eminent environmentalists, Al Gore, was undoubtedly defeated for the White House by a product of the Fossil Fuel industry, George W. Bush. Put aside the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the country, the world and the cause of the Green Party were set back decades to feed Ralph Nader's ego.

In 2016, a candidate who claims that Climate Change is a "Chinese Hoax" defeated a much more qualified candidate who would have been much friendlier to the world's environment, Hillary Clinton. Put aside Trump's threat to Democracy, placing Putin's candidate, Jill Stein on the General Election ballots in key swing states, most likely elected Adolf Trump to the American Presidency.

Now, with everything America stands for at risk, a climate denier may return to the US Presidency again, with the help of this same Green Party. Certainly, the vast majority of votes that Cornell West receives will come from the Democratic nominee.

I'm not saying that I disagree with the Green Party's basic philosophy, but the math in our system suggests that those issues be brought up in Democratic primaries and not as a separate party in the General. In the American system, the party that most agrees with your principals is the most hurt by you politically by "shaving" votes. As it turns out the Green Party (granted inadvertently) has done more to hurt this country, the world and the environment they swore to protect.

The Green Party's philosophy may be sound, but their math, and the understanding of our electoral system, sucks.

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The Green Party in the US has nothing to do with protecting the environment JI7 Aug 2023 #1
Agreed rpannier Aug 2023 #2
Libertarians got three times as many votes as Greens in 2016 Sympthsical Aug 2023 #3
Let the Republicans worry about the Libertarians... Pototan Aug 2023 #6
Third parties will always exist Sympthsical Aug 2023 #8
You are overlooking the "multiplying affect." Pototan Aug 2023 #16
It's not hard to see how people got the impression Hillary lost a lot of votes to the Greens. ShazzieB Aug 2023 #17
A statistic that also doesn't get mentioned, but just as important Sympthsical Aug 2023 #21
They all scream & whine about Jill Stein or Sarandon, but they never seem to talk about the impact SunImp Aug 2023 #25
Oh, I believe there's more than one reason... Pototan Aug 2023 #32
"They" all blame the Comey letter. Who are you talking about? betsuni Aug 2023 #35
Or the effect of the "basket of deplorables" comment. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2023 #54
It may have, but, as it turns out Pototan Aug 2023 #59
Mostly correct. They were actually a "cesspool of deplorables" JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2023 #60
Better Yet (NT) Pototan Aug 2023 #61
Except they're not "shaved" krkaufman Aug 2023 #20
This is quite true. We do not own the votes of non-Democrats. They were never ours. Earth-shine Aug 2023 #26
Trump won in 2016... Pototan Aug 2023 #33
Third parties notwithstanding, voting comes down to the binary choice. Earth-shine Aug 2023 #36
Hence, enjoy the consequences (NT) Pototan Aug 2023 #39
I've posted here & many other places about how American partisan politics is binary. elocs Aug 2023 #42
Exactly Pototan Aug 2023 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author LostOne4Ever Aug 2023 #29
People ignore it because Libertarians actually differ in ideology than Republicans. W_HAMILTON Aug 2023 #43
Not the conversation being had Sympthsical Aug 2023 #48
It was the conversation being had. W_HAMILTON Aug 2023 #49
Oh, sorry I misspoke Sympthsical Aug 2023 #53
And that's a false and stereotypical mischaracterization of Libertarians. W_HAMILTON Aug 2023 #58
Not all people who vote Libertarian are right wing ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #51
We're talking in generalities Sympthsical Aug 2023 #55
"The dog returns to his vomit, the sow returns to her mire Walleye Aug 2023 #4
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. Proverbs 26:11 Celerity Aug 2023 #15
There is no comparision... Pototan Aug 2023 #18
I was not commenting on anything to do with that, just the proverb and the Kipling quote Celerity Aug 2023 #22
Everybody will see the origin... stuck in the middle Aug 2023 #31
Cornell West does not add any value to the election. pink Aug 2023 #5
I believe Cornel West and Tavis Smiley both suffered a loss of respect among Black people with their LoisB Aug 2023 #7
Green means nycbos Aug 2023 #9
ironic, isn't it. JohnSJ Aug 2023 #10
Jill Stein is just another putin sycophant. Lunabell Aug 2023 #11
Their understanding of Rubles is crystal clear though. nt Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #12
They need to update their official color to the fluorescent toxic shade of green Blue Owl Aug 2023 #13
If the Green Party wants to be taken seriously Mz Pip Aug 2023 #14
x ∞ ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #52
Different things krkaufman Aug 2023 #19
In 2000 Pototan Aug 2023 #45
Green party votes don't come from Democrats BWdem4life Aug 2023 #23
Your adding me to "ignore" means nothing to me Pototan Aug 2023 #24
+1 We don't own the votes of non-Democrats. Earth-shine Aug 2023 #27
If the Greens had decided to give their support to the Dem nominee.. honest.abe Aug 2023 #37
Thanks Abe (NT) Pototan Aug 2023 #46
We're a two party system, so every faction has to find it's home in either the D's or the R's Kennah Aug 2023 #28
Exactly my point Pototan Aug 2023 #34
The republicans are running a close 2nd. William769 Aug 2023 #30
There is no Green Party other than a front organization harumph Aug 2023 #38
That's exactly my point Pototan Aug 2023 #40
their party has always been more of an anarchy than a coalition bigtree Aug 2023 #41
Inadvertently? I'm not so sure DFW Aug 2023 #47
Reminds me of a line in the musical 1776 when Jefferson wants to end slavery in the Quixote1818 Aug 2023 #50
eternally unhelpful prodigitalson Aug 2023 #56
Helpful or not... Pototan Aug 2023 #57
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