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Celerity

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56. It is not 'the same stuff on every post' and your question is not germane to the discussion. It is sophistry, an attempt
Tue Jan 2, 2024, 09:39 PM
Jan 2024

at deflection. I never once universalised the blame to all Israelis, therefor your question/example is faulty in its construction.

We CAN judge what the RW Israeli government is doing, and also, like Maya Angelou said, judge their (and their RW power penumbra's) words of intent and underlying motivation.

Get yer filibuster on, Bernie! Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #1
Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan funding will pass the Senate, with or without Bernie. tritsofme Jan 2024 #2
Has to get thru the House first. That's not a certainty yet. brush Jan 2024 #3
The House doesn't have to go first. tritsofme Jan 2024 #4
No, but generally the House does on funding bills, but even if the Senate moves first... brush Jan 2024 #5
Sort of, the Senate can strip out any House passed funding bill tritsofme Jan 2024 #6
My point is both the Sernate and the House have to approve of the bill before it goes to the president. brush Jan 2024 #7
I'm not sure why you thought the need to point that out, but thanks. tritsofme Jan 2024 #8
Article I, Section 7. ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2024 #15
In practice if origination is a concern, the Senate can strip out any House passed revenue bill tritsofme Jan 2024 #17
I always wonder why people blame whoever is president for the budget deficit ? MichMan Jan 2024 #34
The President submits a budget. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2024 #69
Congress is under no obligation to introduce it for a vote as submitted MichMan Jan 2024 #70
That's where negotiation and compromise come in, a.k.a., politics. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2024 #71
"Raising revenue" brooklynite Jan 2024 #44
You can't spend it if you don't "raise" it. It's all ear-marked. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2024 #68
There's a Senate workaround for the issue of origination. lapucelle Jan 2024 #45
I agree with bernie Trueblue1968 Jan 2024 #9
I also agree with Bernie TomDaisy Jan 2024 #89
Meh. It's false. It's untrue. It's not "a war against the Palestinian people" * Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #10
so many RW Israelis absolutely look at it as a war on all of the Gazans and/or all Palestinians Celerity Jan 2024 #11
Meh. TLDR. 🙄 Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #13
in other words, you cannot rebut it Celerity Jan 2024 #21
Many Israelis do not. paleotn Jan 2024 #30
the ones quoted are power brokers, many of them in Netanyahu's RW coalition, a coalition in control of the war Celerity Jan 2024 #32
319 House Republicans. 50 Republican Senators. Umpteen Republican state legislators, governors.... paleotn Jan 2024 #33
non sequitur Celerity Jan 2024 #39
Can you judge America by the party of Trump? Just answer the question. paleotn Jan 2024 #47
Gish gallop, by its very nature * Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #55
Exactly. The only way to beat the Gish Gallop is to be very simple and very direct. paleotn Jan 2024 #58
No it is not. You either clearly do not understand the definition of Gish gallop or are wilfully misusing the term. Celerity Jan 2024 #59
Uh-huh. Noted. 🙄 Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #61
Cut and Paste is my longtime nickname for your interlocutor. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #83
Yes * Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #85
Definitely not alone! betsuni Jan 2024 #87
It is not 'the same stuff on every post' and your question is not germane to the discussion. It is sophistry, an attempt Celerity Jan 2024 #56
Not deflection. Simple question. Can you judge all of America by the party of Trump? paleotn Jan 2024 #57
I never judged all of Israel. I did not do so for the same logical reasoning I do not judge all of America by the 'party Celerity Jan 2024 #60
Good. That was all I was getting at. paleotn Jan 2024 #66
Thanks for your patience and integrity in this and other threads. Much appreciated. TheRickles Jan 2024 #75
They can't refute a single thing you presented, and so try to flip the argument and present strawman replies TiberiusB Jan 2024 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jan 2024 #39
So who is judging Israelis collectively? markpkessinger Jan 2024 #93
No. In other words, gish gallop is a waste of my time * Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #54
If you're going to use a phrase as an attempt at rebuttal, it is on you to at least use it correctly. Celerity Jan 2024 #63
No. Actually, no argument or "rebuttal" is needed (or warranted or deserved) * Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #72
Now we can add 'ad hominem' to the list of concepts you either do not understand or wilfully misuse. Celerity Jan 2024 #73
Nope. Too funny! 🤣😂🤣 Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #74
No Kidding OK. Cha Jan 2024 #67
Honest appraisal means nothing to you? nt PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #50
How amusing! 🤣😂 Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #80
So, sez you was taken? Doc Sportello Jan 2024 #77
Yawn. 🥱😴 Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #81
Thank you. niyad Jan 2024 #25
Yikes!! Well that is awfully clear. It sounds like genocide. No doubt TeamProg Jan 2024 #28
Ethnic cleansing and malaise Jan 2024 #37
umm sorry the killers are responsible for those they kill, both israelis and hamas. nice try tho nt msongs Jan 2024 #14
LOL 🙄 Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #16
But WE ARE NOT funding Hamas. What kind of argument is that? TeamProg Jan 2024 #27
truth TomDaisy Jan 2024 #94
Innocent Palestinians are dying by the thousands. The IDF is not selectively killing Hamas. nt pnwmom Jan 2024 #20
Exactly. nt TeamProg Jan 2024 #29
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It's what he does edisdead Jan 2024 #43
The best politicians do what's possible, rather than aiming for the impossible and achieving nothing * Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #62
Thank you, once again Sen. Bernie talking sense. mysteryowl Jan 2024 #12
I bet this is how Joe Biden threads this needle Arazi Jan 2024 #18
Nah, I don't think Sanders desires here are at all relevant to how Biden will handle the issue. tritsofme Jan 2024 #22
I don't think it's like that but the surprise is that you are saying TeamProg Jan 2024 #31
I have no sympathy for the Likud party or Netanyahu tornado34jh Jan 2024 #19
Senator Sanders, in this case, speaks for me Celerity Jan 2024 #23
I stand with Senator Sanders. Enough is enough. flashman13 Jan 2024 #24
Thank you Bernie! TeamProg Jan 2024 #26
A source told me that a big scoop will soon drop malaise Jan 2024 #36
I bet! lol tritsofme Jan 2024 #48
Thak you Faux pas Jan 2024 #38
Thank you, Bernie! Sky Jewels Jan 2024 #41
Netanyahu and the Likud party are / have been complicit in war crimes. Oneironaut Jan 2024 #46
And when Hamas launched rockets into Israel previously? edisdead Jan 2024 #49
Well claudette Jan 2024 #52
Of course those were war crimes. But that doesn't justify pnwmom Jan 2024 #64
Well I say claudette Jan 2024 #51
Totally Agree!! Netanyahu will keep the war going just to stay out of jail. walkingman Jan 2024 #53
Always happy that a Democrat won the nomination Mountainguy Jan 2024 #65
I know, right? Oopsie Daisy Jan 2024 #91
The US is going to have to decide whether or not it will facilitate ethnic cleansing. David__77 Jan 2024 #76
I usually agree with Bernie. BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2024 #78
Agreed. There can be no long term peace as long as Hamas exists Amishman Jan 2024 #88
It'll pass and as is often the case Bernie is off the mark. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #82
Thank you Bernie SqueakyWheel.363 Jan 2024 #84
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Bernie is correct on this one. radius777 Jan 2024 #90
yes TomDaisy Jan 2024 #95
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Netanyahu should be tried for treason since he was aware of the potential attack long before it happened elocs Jan 2024 #96
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