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claudette

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70. No

Thu Jan 4, 2024, 01:22 PM

Jan 2024

That’s not what I said. It was terrorism. And what Israel is doing to innocent Palestinians fills them with terror. How many dead innocents in Gaza will avenge it?

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Hamas' brutality is unpardonable [View all] TexasDem69 Jan 2024 OP

Exactly Calculating Jan 2024 #1

The brutality on both sides is off the chart unpardonable. marble falls Jan 2024 #2

I haven't seen any stories about the IDF TexasDem69 Jan 2024 #3

Yes, where are the stories of IDF raping women and chopping off men's penises? Beakybird Jan 2024 #5

Rec TY. Cha Jan 2024 #6

However claudette Jan 2024 #10

We killed hundreds of thousands of children in WW II by bombs. former9thward Jan 2024 #11

Hell yes we should be, but IMO that comparison isn't very solid Orrex Jan 2024 #22

As long as the sides are "equal," killing civilians is okay? Nice logic AZLD4Candidate Jan 2024 #29

I'd like you to point out who the fuck said that, exactly. Orrex Jan 2024 #33

WWII was a fairly symmetrical war between major national powers, and the weaponry of the time had little ability to yiel AZLD4Candidate Jan 2024 #34

Could you repeat the part where you pretend I said that killing civilians is ok? Orrex Jan 2024 #39

3% of the world's population was killed during WW2 using those weapons. AZLD4Candidate Jan 2024 #42

If that's your opinion, then go ahead and own it Orrex Jan 2024 #43

Who thinks that it was OK then? Chainfire Jan 2024 #145

OK is irrelevant. What is necessary is what matters. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #209

The big problem with your argument is that you suggest that the bombing decided the war. Chainfire Jan 2024 #227

It was won by both. Attrition and disruption were significant factors TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #255

There was little attrition or disruption. There was, however, a lot of civilian deaths. Chainfire Jan 2024 #256

Weird flex... Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #49

It wasn't a flex, merely a statement about an ugly reality Orrex Jan 2024 #52

Absolutely n.t. RocRizzo55 Jan 2024 #54

Happy people like you were not in charge of war planning in WW II. former9thward Jan 2024 #61

More whataboutism. RocRizzo55 Jan 2024 #155

What claudette Jan 2024 #57

I would call it a god-damned shame that terrorists would mine an entire city, creating a city under a city Hekate Jan 2024 #99

War. former9thward Jan 2024 #154

Of course we should. It was not right then and it is not right now. Chainfire Jan 2024 #144

This is true. But Israel isn't trying to kill children. They're trying to kill terrorists. That's a big distinction. Beakybird Jan 2024 #13

but but - so how do you kill 10,000 kids & injure 25,000 without trying? You have to be really incompetent or a womanofthehills Jan 2024 #19

Hamas uses them as human shields. Why not attack Hamas for doing that? AZLD4Candidate Jan 2024 #31

Not those who claudette Jan 2024 #59

Actually they are ripcord Jan 2024 #64

Not sure claudette Jan 2024 #66

1400 on october 7th is just collatarel damage? they were innocent too. AZLD4Candidate Jan 2024 #69

No claudette Jan 2024 #70

Hamas uses innocents as human shields. How many innodent Japanese had to be killed for Pearl Harbor? AZLD4Candidate Jan 2024 #73

They used claudette Jan 2024 #74

Calling It A Response, Ma'am, Gives The Game Away The Magistrate Jan 2024 #75

how else do you eliminate hamas? AlexSFCA Jan 2024 #135

"Brutal response"? Israel shouldn't hand wring while kitchen-made rockets rain down. They get to end the barrage quickly SoFlaBro Jan 2024 #171

How many babies in Gaza "refused ceasefires" ? DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #97

How many of the 1400 killed 10/7 were military or government targets? AZLD4Candidate Jan 2024 #102

Very few, I'm sure.... DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #106

But... sheshe2 Jan 2024 #119

The number is . . . Richard D Jan 2024 #156

In other words, they don't actually know. N/T AloeVera Jan 2024 #166

Your view of history is in error. The US threatened Japan to get out of SE Asia TeamProg Jan 2024 #232

This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Jan 2024 #251

If Hamas would surrender, turn over the planners/perpetrators of the 10/7 attacks, kelly1mm Jan 2024 #159

Consider a strong theory: Richard D Jan 2024 #170

Hamas uses the deaths to serve up endless tiktok and twitter memes, reducing the struggle to bully vs victim elias7 Jan 2024 #235

The question is why you and others here cannot respect our sorrow and mourning and have to question everything Jan 2024 #35

actually - the OP highlighted Hamas brutality stopdiggin Jan 2024 #56

"Guess you haven't been over on TicToc or Twitter and viewed the thousands of horrific videos" and there you have it GuppyGal Jan 2024 #111

Ridiculous comparison. WW2 was 80yrs ago; war was fought differently. oldsoftie Jan 2024 #77

You claudette Jan 2024 #83

The UN reported 1000s of dead children? Hamas is in charge of what info comes out of Gaza. oldsoftie Jan 2024 #86

The death-toll is likely way under-counted. AloeVera Jan 2024 #175

I'm sure the numbers are high, but ALL deaths are on Hamas oldsoftie Jan 2024 #190

Maybe the Gazan's should pay heed when told to move for their safety EX500rider Jan 2024 #82

That kind of "evacuation" forced by Israel is illegal in the first place. AloeVera Jan 2024 #162

Hello - where is it safe? womanofthehills Jan 2024 #211

You forgot . . . Richard D Jan 2024 #21

A baby in Palestine is just as dead from a 2000 pound bomb dropped by Israel.... DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Abolishinist Jan 2024 #110

For those who are true believers in the tenets of the Quran, Abolishinist Jan 2024 #117

Your post is over the line iemanja Jan 2024 #122

I beg your pardon? Abolishinist Jan 2024 #124

The version you since edited iemanja Jan 2024 #168

No, the only problem I realized after your response is that because of my poorly worded Abolishinist Jan 2024 #172

Does that mean Israel's killing children is okay in your view? iemanja Jan 2024 #173

If a soulless motherfucker has so little value for his own TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #239

The post I originally responded to was in turn responding kelly1mm Jan 2024 #160

Did you read the unedited version? iemanja Jan 2024 #167

I do see it now and I agree it is close to. if not crossing the line. I will edit my post. nt kelly1mm Jan 2024 #247

For the gazillionth time Mossfern Jan 2024 #164

Because none of the mainstream media RocRizzo55 Jan 2024 #53

Ah, there we go... AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #76

Yup The Revolution Jan 2024 #96

Is this a "Jews control the media" post? egduj Jan 2024 #140

NO!!!!! RocRizzo55 Jan 2024 #143

Oh we know who AIPAC is AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #149

It absolutely was. It is amazing how reflexively the vile tropes come. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #222

We've already gotten "killed Jesus" AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #230

That's because instead they blew her into a million pieces with a 2000 pound bomb. DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #219

That didn't take long NickB79 Jan 2024 #8

Never does. Behind the Aegis Jan 2024 #40

What I love is all of the what about WWII bombings. Chainfire Jan 2024 #146

Bothsiderism is a rhetorical tool of the most wicked TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #9

Mentioning the consequences of the IDF's indiscriminate bombing is not "bothsiderism" Bucky Jan 2024 #120

Heads they win, tails Israel loses. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #189

There's ways to fight Hamas that don't involve leveling apartment buildings and killing thousands of innocent people Bucky Jan 2024 #205

Most of those methods are being employed but do little TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #210

Israel did not kill Sinwar! It was some other Hamas dude in Lebanon (Sorry can't remember his name) LeftInTX Jan 2024 #233

Ok thanks. It was their deputy chief Saleh al-Arouri Bucky Jan 2024 #238

More bothsidersome. former9thward Jan 2024 #12

Both sider-ism is as hollow an argument as what about-ism. AZLD4Candidate Jan 2024 #17

Even so, is there a point where we stop blaming Hamas for Israel's actions? Orrex Jan 2024 #23

Yeah. . .Israel asked to be attacked on October 7th. It's their fault and they deserved it AZLD4Candidate Jan 2024 #27

I'd like you to point out who the fuck said that, exactly. Orrex Jan 2024 #37

After Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2006 they had elections question everything Jan 2024 #65

A beautiful example of deflection. TeamProg Jan 2024 #44

BOTH SIDES are to blame for TOO MANY Dead Babies... DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #50

"Or does the campaign continue until everyone in Gaza is dead?" EX500rider Jan 2024 #109

Suggesting that there may be less dead civilians isn't necessarily a good thing Orrex Jan 2024 #113

When Hamas has been obliterated and can no longer be a threat. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #174

Just to be clear: Orrex Jan 2024 #181

I didn't mince words. I said as many as it takes and as few as possible. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #194

You're right claudette Jan 2024 #67

I don't see any IDF Soldiers Raping, Mutilating, Cha Jan 2024 #126

Is bombing innocent people in their homes not butchering? Chainfire Jan 2024 #147

Nope. Hamas is pure evil. jimfields33 Jan 2024 #152

I guess as long as they don't do THOSE things... AloeVera Jan 2024 #188

"Both sides". HAMAS Started This Cha Jan 2024 #4

This video so enraged me, October 7, nocoincidences Jan 2024 #7

The shame is that those who consider themselves mcar Jan 2024 #14

Because Jewish women don't matter to them. EllieBC Jan 2024 #16

As the title of the book says "People Love Dead Jews." AZLD4Candidate Jan 2024 #18

Actually, women don't matter to them. Women are not whole beings in the Hamas world view. GoneOffShore Jan 2024 #71

I've wondered if this played into the "Jewish Princess" trope AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #161

Shameful indeed. sheshe2 Jan 2024 #25

Exactly. Now you're called a right winger for calling out hate Nixie Jan 2024 #80

I've been gobsmacked since Oct. 7 mcar Jan 2024 #100

Well said. The heartless propaganda is thick Nixie Jan 2024 #121

Exactly!! nocoincidences Jan 2024 #15

What? AloeVera Jan 2024 #187

Let's talk about rabid animals' physical abuse, sexual humiliation, physical and psychological torture and rape. TeamProg Jan 2024 #20

Horseshit. nocoincidences Jan 2024 #24

Pardon me? You don't believe the abuses of U.S. soldiers on Iraqis and others? TeamProg Jan 2024 #26

Not relevant to the topic. nocoincidences Jan 2024 #30

We are talking about the abuses of war. Abu Graib is completely relevant. TeamProg Jan 2024 #38

If you care about the victims of October 7th AloeVera Jan 2024 #186

Bothsideism. revmclaren Jan 2024 #32

its not even both sides do it lapfog_1 Jan 2024 #127

Very true. revmclaren Jan 2024 #128

YES. people WERE punished for Abu Graib. Hamas had parades with hostages. oldsoftie Jan 2024 #137

... revmclaren Jan 2024 #28

No, let's not! Start your own thread, don't hijack others'. Are you capable? question everything Jan 2024 #36

I'm only referring to some history of abuses that happen in war. Most humans don't blame all Americans for TeamProg Jan 2024 #41

A handful? You must have very very large hands. NoRethugFriends Jan 2024 #45

I was being generous, probably LESS than a handful of Hamas members were doing such atrocities, but I can't say. TeamProg Jan 2024 #48

These atrocities were part of the PLAN of attack. This is how THEY operate. oldsoftie Jan 2024 #138

All of them. THIS WAS THE FUCKING PLAN! TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #176

You don't know that. Lots of assuming there. nt TeamProg Jan 2024 #197

You seem to have an idea of an actual number. yagotme Jan 2024 #198

Already discussed above. TeamProg Jan 2024 #199

From videos released, it was more than ten (handful). yagotme Jan 2024 #200

You seem to have an idea of an actual number. nt TeamProg Jan 2024 #201

You are the one refuting when someone posts an opinion on participation levels. yagotme Jan 2024 #203

Already discussed above. TeamProg Jan 2024 #204

What is your argument? TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #223

A: That what the US did at Abu Graib was about as bad. I'm not apologizing for the sickos in TeamProg Jan 2024 #231

What are comparing to what end other than white washing fucking Hamas again? TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #240

Or what the Turks did to the Armenians. All horrible! All done before! S. Africa has filed paperwork for Netayahu to TeamProg Jan 2024 #242

The NYT article is very hard to read without getting sick and angry LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #46

Yes claudette Jan 2024 #68

"Should never have happened" Nixie Jan 2024 #157

It's a never-ending battle on many fronts, isn't it. Abolishinist Jan 2024 #177

Yes it is. Quite deplorable even. Nixie Jan 2024 #193

You do realize the Arabs are saying exactly the same thing about the Israelis, right? Warpy Jan 2024 #51

So, HAMAS Started This SHIT. They don't give a Shit about Cha Jan 2024 #125

And because Hamas doesn't give a shit about Palestinians that gives Israel permission kill innocent Palestinians? Chainfire Jan 2024 #148

The genocidal extremists that have tried to wipe Israel TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #241

Indeed.... horrific... unpardonable.... DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #55

it's not about making it even Richard D Jan 2024 #58

I think this is a missed point of the whole Israeli response. elias7 Jan 2024 #60

I think. Richard D Jan 2024 #62

Well, in this thread alone AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #79

I never thought I'd see such blatant antisemitism in DU. Richard D Jan 2024 #90

It is so missed . . . Richard D Jan 2024 #63

This is one of the best answers to this difficult question that I have seen. GoneOffShore Jan 2024 #72

+1000000 GuppyGal Jan 2024 #112

OK. So the number of civilian woman and children who die in Gaza DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #92

Yeah . . . Richard D Jan 2024 #93

I wouldn't drop 2000 pound bombs in civilian areas, DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #94

If you went in to do it yourself Mossfern Jan 2024 #245

"Pragmatic thinking"--- DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #249

Pragmatic thinking Mossfern Jan 2024 #253

So much So! Why don't some People Get that?! Cha Jan 2024 #129

False equivalency. Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #153

This question: yagotme Jan 2024 #158

And Hamas promises CONTINUED attacks. Their stated goal is NO Israel. oldsoftie Jan 2024 #78

And Israel's stated goal is No Hamas.... DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #95

"but neither party has the 'moral high ground' in this war...." What the actual fuck? GuppyGal Jan 2024 #114

The difference? sheshe2 Jan 2024 #123

Equating a terrorist group with a NATION is insane. oldsoftie Jan 2024 #136

22,000 Gazan Palestinians are just as dead as 1200 Israelis, DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #218

Violence is all that works against groups like Hamas. All the blood is on them. oldsoftie Jan 2024 #224

But Hamas doesn't have any 2000 pound bombs to drop... DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #248

You don't think that terrorists who rape and dismember women and children should be eliminated? AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #202

Haaretz has mixed reports on the rapes womanofthehills Jan 2024 #212

I did not say that--- in fact, I did say that I despise them--- DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #217

I have said that I DO think so.... DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #250

As is Bibi's slaughter malaise Jan 2024 #81

That comparison is bullshit and you know it TexasDem69 Jan 2024 #84

Do you point out what Hamas has done EllieBC Jan 2024 #87

There are 22,000 dead Palestinians malaise Jan 2024 #88

So that's a no you don't point it out. EllieBC Jan 2024 #89

How should the IDF respond to the rape, torture and murder of over 1,000 TexasDem69 Jan 2024 #98

Apparently they should do nothing. Remember, as the title of the book says "people love dead jews." AZLD4Candidate Jan 2024 #103

They should pick off these underground Hamas scum one by one .....even if it takes decades and let them live their GuppyGal Jan 2024 #116

I'm glad you put the sarecasm there. Richard D Jan 2024 #118

The attack absolutely necessitated the response. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #101

22K dead according to WHOM? GuppyGal Jan 2024 #115

According to . . . Richard D Jan 2024 #169

No it isn't claudette Jan 2024 #132

Someday, maybe humans will decide to outlaw war. 1WorldHope Jan 2024 #85

Kellogg-Briand did that. It wasn't successful AZLD4Candidate Jan 2024 #104

Very interesting. I knew nothing of it, but if it was tried before and failed, 1WorldHope Jan 2024 #108

Russia agreed to leave Ukraine alone & look how that went. NT oldsoftie Jan 2024 #191

Laws without consequences and enforcement are suggestions TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #225

Regardless of Hamas' brutality, does it justify killing thousands of innocent Gaza Palastinians? elocs Jan 2024 #91

The need to obliterate the possibility of any repeat mandates the elimination of Hamas TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #105

So put the blame where it belongs; on those who started it. oldsoftie Jan 2024 #192

There is Hamas denialism in this thread. madaboutharry Jan 2024 #107

Hamas is to Gazans what Maga is to republicans MyMission Jan 2024 #130

No, not another OP; you should write that for The NY Times ! oldsoftie Jan 2024 #139

Yet many claudette Jan 2024 #131

no one pardons it, it's retaliation with the goal to eliminate hamas AlexSFCA Jan 2024 #133

Oh yes claudette Jan 2024 #134

First Willto Jan 2024 #142

You have it wrong Mossfern Jan 2024 #246

9,500 are Hamas deaths. madaboutharry Jan 2024 #141

Link ? For that hamas death's number questionseverything Jan 2024 #163

About as reliable as you believe Hamas' numbers to be. AloeVera Jan 2024 #179

So if the IDF gave a figure and Hamas gave a figure, which one would you put more credibility on? egduj Jan 2024 #182

I don't rely on either one, I'm inclined to do my own analysis and then make a determination. AloeVera Jan 2024 #183

Sometimes no answer is the clearest answer of all. egduj Jan 2024 #196

I saw one fact checker explaining the numbers and why they reported them AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #207

Hamas' brutality is unpardonable Chainfire Jan 2024 #150

What would you have Israel do? egduj Jan 2024 #151

Adhere to international and humanitarian laws. AloeVera Jan 2024 #165

Absolutely not because doing so means a near complete inabilty TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #178

Trust me, people in Gaza don't live in the Land of Make Believe. They live the horror every moment. AloeVera Jan 2024 #185

Your questions are a refusal to take reality for an answer. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #208

I don't think any of that was happening before 10/7... egduj Jan 2024 #180

So October 7th means all laws can now be flouted? AloeVera Jan 2024 #184

They are responding against this non-state actor, egduj Jan 2024 #195

Loud and clear. AloeVera Jan 2024 #206

No, it means that hopefully the IDF will mop up the Hamas shitstains and curb all of these Hamas lovers. SoFlaBro Jan 2024 #214

No idea who you mean by Hamas lovers nor do I care. AloeVera Jan 2024 #215

Nope. I just call balls and strikes. The Hamas supporters and Hamas lovers are very evident in their behavior. SoFlaBro Jan 2024 #226

You spelled CHILDREN wrong. N/T AloeVera Jan 2024 #228

Hamas's favorite business is dead Palestinian children and business is a-BOOMIN' :nuke: SoFlaBro Jan 2024 #237

Hamas is funtioning as a state actor. They are what passes for the legitimate TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #236

Estimates of civilian deaths between Iraq and Afghanistan runs upwards of 423K Kennah Jan 2024 #213

Absolutely 100% this Orrex Jan 2024 #216

And probably the US moreso Kennah Jan 2024 #220

Sunday morning kick. revmclaren Jan 2024 #221

We agree that the Hamas brutality is unpardonable, what is in dispute is whether Israel's brutality is acceptable. Chainfire Jan 2024 #229

You should be less stingy about waiving your magic wand TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #243

My big problem is my inability to ignore the suffering of other human beings. So sue me... Chainfire Jan 2024 #244

And Hamas vows to continue its terrorism. keithbvadu2 Jan 2024 #234

Monday morning Kick. revmclaren Jan 2024 #252

13 women remain in Hamas captivity. LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #254

I hope they are able to come home. revmclaren Jan 2024 #258

Tuesday morning Kick. revmclaren Jan 2024 #257