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80. OK, call it whatever you want to call it, but the obliteration of Gaza...

Thu Feb 15, 2024, 01:59 PM

Feb 15

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is going to be paid for.

I get that the term "reparations" sets some people off since it's what many African-American activists have asked for for Black descendants of people enslaved during centuries of enslavement with dawn-to-dusk, uncompensated labor (stolen labor).

I'd like to note ironically that Jewish survivors and descendants of the Holocaust received financial benefits, as did Japanese survivors of WWll internment (but Black people — NO WAY).

Maybe we should call the rebuilding of Gaza financial benefits instead as there is no way it's not going to be rebuilt...unless of course Netanyahu gets his way and Jewish settlements are built from the "river to the sea" as he recently called for.

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Senator Van Hollen: ''Kids in Gaza are now dying from the deliberate withholding of food. That is a war crime.'' [View all] Donkees Feb 13 OP

'Van Hollen Joins Welch in Calling for Delivery of Urgently Needed Humanitarian Aid to Civilians in Gaza' Donkees Feb 13 #1

Glad my Senator sees and speaks clearly. elleng Feb 13 #2

🥲 claudette Feb 13 #3

there may be some in DU who deny this Tetrachloride Feb 13 #4

Prove it then Mosby Feb 13 #24

This comment is beyond Sky Jewels Feb 15 #69

Wow Alpeduez21 Feb 15 #77

Hard to believe you're so poorly informed. Mosby Feb 15 #79

Out of curiosity, do you actually believe any of that? Orrex Feb 15 #89

. Mosby Feb 16 #94

Egypt is building the Mother of All Walls to keep out Palestinians. Mosby Feb 16 #95

this is 99 percent true, regarding Egypt Tetrachloride Feb 17 #102

We called this out ages ago malaise Feb 13 #5

Give it a minute, and someone will assure us that Hamas can end this today Orrex Feb 13 #8

Yep malaise Feb 13 #9

maybe not everything would end but LymphocyteLover Feb 13 #13

Couple reasons, I'd guess Orrex Feb 13 #16

You really had to go through all that? ripcord Feb 13 #25

That's a lot of words to say that you approve of Netanyahu deliberately starving thousands of children Orrex Feb 13 #29

Especially since Israel is using western weapons, radius777 Feb 14 #53

our tax dollars aren't going towards genocide or starving children LymphocyteLover Feb 14 #63

Israel is supported and protected by the US radius777 Feb 15 #66

Hamas is peeing into a wind storm to believe it feasible to erase Israel and kill all Jews. PufPuf23 Feb 13 #42

Surrendering means you give up and ask for mercy and an end to the conflict. You can negotiate peace terms. LymphocyteLover Feb 13 #44

Those comparisons are meaningless because Hamas is not a state Orrex Feb 13 #47

+1. Israel is a RW Likud regime, which is conflating radius777 Feb 14 #52

And it's not like Hamas is a democratically elected gov't radius777 Feb 15 #67

THEY. TOOK. THE. HOSTAGES. IN. THE. FIRST. PLACE!!!! edisdead Feb 15 #82

They don't get to set any terms and it is their own credibility that is trash TheKentuckian Feb 19 #143

You are, of course, arguing in favor of Israel killing all Palestinians Orrex Feb 19 #145

If the demand is impossible then what is the purpose if any negotiations efforts at all TheKentuckian Feb 20 #148

Neutanyu will not stop bombing womanofthehills Feb 14 #62

He's bombing Rafah because that's where Hamas is now. I do wonder LymphocyteLover Feb 14 #64

Hostages were released during the ceasefire Alpeduez21 Feb 15 #78

I assume you forgot who ended the ceasefire sarisataka Feb 15 #84

wasn't hostages being released part of the ceasefire deal? LymphocyteLover Feb 15 #85

Absurdly absolutely slobbing Hamas. TheKentuckian Feb 18 #129

This is Middle East!! Butterflylady Feb 17 #98

So the IDF has no agency? Voltaire2 Feb 17 #112

They are compelled by Hamas to eliminate Hamas TheKentuckian Feb 18 #131

So it is ok to kill children? Voltaire2 Feb 18 #133

It is unethical to leave tens of thousands to act as a deadly threat TheKentuckian Feb 18 #136

I am so exhausted with that reply obamanut2012 Feb 13 #17

It's about all they've got Orrex Feb 13 #22

A horror that must be destroyed but woe unto any actual effort TheKentuckian Feb 13 #38

Absolutely none of that justifies the forcible starving of thousands of children Orrex Feb 13 #46

The goalpost have moved from not supporting Hamas TheKentuckian Feb 13 #48

You need to take that up with whoever moved the goalposts Orrex Feb 13 #50

See the post I responded to. You were swimming in that stream. TheKentuckian Feb 18 #132

Guilt by association, eh? Perhaps next you'll advocate for collective punishment. Orrex Feb 18 #135

Who am I riding with that is deeply invested in conspiratorial nonsense? TheKentuckian Feb 19 #144

Who is going to distribute aid? Happy Hoosier Feb 15 #74

Right...one in this thread just posted prove it that kids are starving. brush Feb 13 #28

Or someone will say that Hamas are "freedom fighters just like Mandela." BannonsLiver Feb 13 #32

Yes, I've seen that ignorant bullshit Orrex Feb 13 #45

That was fucking shocking. NT Happy Hoosier Feb 15 #75

Thank you Senator Van Hollen, the base agrees with you. radius777 Feb 13 #6

I agree with you except... 2naSalit Feb 13 #10

Drop the word genocide and it is still mass murder beyond ... sanatanadharma Feb 13 #7

The Dangerous History Behind Netanyahu's Amalek Rhetoric Celerity Feb 13 #11

Hamas is attacking Israel and hiding out among civilians LymphocyteLover Feb 13 #14

And yet one of our biggest fights in Congress is to give Israel more money redqueen Feb 13 #12

Right? Much of that should go to Palestinian aid and reparations. brush Feb 13 #30

There's aid for Gaza in there too but not $14 billion. redqueen Feb 13 #37

Let me re-state. Money for IDF arms can be used as bargaining power to make sure... brush Feb 13 #39

Good. No way Gaza is just going be flattened... brush Feb 15 #83

Reparations? The US should pay reparations to Gazans? maxsolomon Feb 13 #41

Israel out of the money from US funding. What, Gaza is flattened... brush Feb 13 #51

Not sure I understand your comment. maxsolomon Feb 14 #56

The weapons Israel uses are made in the US and supplied by us. brush Feb 14 #57

Some of them. Israel has its own Arms industry. maxsolomon Feb 14 #58

What are you getting at? Gaza is just about flatten by the IDF... brush Feb 14 #59

You said the US owes Gazans REPARATIONS. maxsolomon Feb 14 #60

I didn't really say the US owes Gazans reparations. brush Feb 14 #61

Yes you did mcar Feb 17 #100

Perhaps you're misunderstanding my position. US weapons are being used on Gaza... brush Feb 17 #101

I understand that you are denying mcar Feb 17 #103

Understand pls that my position is some of the funds to Israel should help rebuild Gaza. brush Feb 17 #104

So be it. brush Feb 17 #110

"It's not uncommon after such devastating destruction for assistance afterwards to be rendered" EX500rider Feb 17 #105

It's not uncommon since it happen in Europe and Japan. brush Feb 17 #106

1,000's of wars in history make 2 examples very uncommon EX500rider Feb 17 #107

Be clear, pls. What does "money where their month is" mean? brush Feb 17 #108

How is that unclear, I said which countries can pay for the rebuild EX500rider Feb 17 #109

Thanks for letting us know where you stand. brush Feb 17 #111

Consequences? You demand a boon for 10/7 and decades TheKentuckian Feb 19 #146

See post 137. brush Feb 20 #147

See post 80. brush Feb 15 #81

Not one cent on *reparations* JustAnotherGen Feb 15 #71

OK, call it whatever you want to call it, but the obliteration of Gaza... brush Feb 15 #80

I don't want to pay for it JustAnotherGen Feb 15 #87

Gave who money? brush Feb 15 #88

Really? JustAnotherGen Feb 16 #90

You still don't seem to be able to understand Hamas and innocent, Palestinian non-combatants are not the same thing... brush Feb 16 #91

You still don't seem to understand JustAnotherGen Feb 16 #92

So you're going with leaving Gaza flattened and there will be no consequences? brush Feb 16 #93

So you're going to blame JustAnotherGen Feb 17 #96

An ugly willful denial of reality Arazi Feb 17 #97

Thank you! JustAnotherGen Feb 18 #119

I'm a Black man of color who sympathizes with Palestinians, also people of color, who are being blown to bits... brush Feb 17 #99

My God. You're still not getting that innocent, non-combatant Palestininians... brush Feb 18 #125

"call it whatever you want to call it" SunSeeker Feb 18 #124

And what are the facts? How about 25,000 dead, 90% of the housing flattened... brush Feb 18 #126

The US did not bomb Gaza, nor kill 25,000 Gazans. Facts. nt SunSeeker Feb 18 #127

True, Israel did with US weapons and backing...for 75 years now. brush Feb 18 #128

No, Hamas sadistically killing 1200 Israeli civilians on Oct. 7 caused this war. SunSeeker Feb 18 #130

Your's is always the first fall back response. 25,000 killed in Gaza but you don't brush Feb 18 #137

Corrupt Netanyahu would be gone but for Hamas starting this war. SunSeeker Feb 18 #138

That the Netanyahu admin didn't think it would happen, even though they were warned... brush Feb 18 #139

There is no easy mechanism to force early elections in Israel. SunSeeker Feb 19 #140

Keep speaking out Senator. Please and Thank You. Nanjeanne Feb 13 #15

Are Hamas war criminals? sarisataka Feb 13 #18

Terrorists by definition operate outside the rule of law John Shaft Feb 13 #19

Interesting perspective sarisataka Feb 13 #20

Look how well waging war (making terrorists accountable) John Shaft Feb 13 #23

No complaints, just observations sarisataka Feb 13 #26

yes, that is the maddening conundrum of this situation LymphocyteLover Feb 13 #49

They know what they're doing. It's the same neocon gaslighting radius777 Feb 14 #54

The terrorists are also the governing body of Gaza TheKentuckian Feb 13 #35

I'm sure if all these folks had HAMAS living in the next state over they'd be singing a different tune. nt GuppyGal Feb 15 #73

Without question. They wouldn't even need to be proximate TheKentuckian Feb 15 #86

Hamas is not a state actor because Gaza isn't a state, but.... Happy Hoosier Feb 15 #76

Both Hamas and Netanyahu are war criminals IMO. brush Feb 13 #31

It is hard for some to say that sarisataka Feb 13 #33

IMO it's become more and more obvious since the many hours-long IDF delay... brush Feb 13 #34

Knowing a bit how governments and military works sarisataka Feb 13 #36

Both those delays you mentioned, 9/11 and Oct. 7, were by right wing admins. brush Feb 13 #40

or they wanted the attacks to happen LymphocyteLover Feb 14 #65

Yep, makes you wonder if it's a let it happen on purpose operation. brush Feb 15 #68

tried to google this up but too complicated to check bc of using a phone and opening multiple screens - somethin like... electric_blue68 Feb 17 #115

See my #115 post electric_blue68 Feb 17 #116

It is troubling, questionable. electric_blue68 Feb 17 #114

I probably agree w you... electric_blue68 Feb 17 #113

I didn't know that about the Rabin assassination. Thanks for that info. brush Feb 18 #117

A somber yw electric_blue68 Feb 18 #120

So he's always been to the extreme right. brush Feb 18 #121

As far as I can tell. I don't know his most early official political history. electric_blue68 Feb 18 #122

DURec leftstreet Feb 13 #21

This is war crime. This is group punishment. This is murder. marble falls Feb 13 #27

Thank you for speaking out with the truth. As for anyone asking why he voted for the bill Autumn Feb 13 #43

Kick GoodRaisin Feb 14 #55

Rafah urgently needs stabilisation centre for children with 'severe malnutrition': UN Donkees Feb 15 #70

Nice words, bad vote. David__77 Feb 15 #72

Not interested in giving food to Hamas. Mountainguy Feb 18 #118

Agreed. This is a war crime and Israel has lost the high ground. elocs Feb 18 #123

There are tens of thousands of Hamas operatives TheKentuckian Feb 18 #134

No, it's knowing killing innocent civilians, women & children that's ridiculous and a war crime. elocs Feb 19 #141

Zero if possible but as many as it takes to eliminate the threat. TheKentuckian Feb 19 #142