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Tommy Carcetti

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24. The Senate has always had problems.

Mon Mar 4, 2024, 01:57 PM

Mar 2024

Given that at one point its members were voted on by State legislatures and not the actually people themselves. At least that got fixed.

But at least Senators themselves are directly elected by the majority/plurality of their own constituents, and no longer through an arcane indirect system.

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Trump won the 2016 election on a technicality. [View all] Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 OP

This is really why democracy dies, there has to be a majority of the people behind the President Walleye Mar 2024 #1

Wealthy, land owners with powdered wigs... Omnipresent Mar 2024 #37

Good point. I think it was Will Rogers who said something like Walleye Mar 2024 #52

and slaves. Voltaire2 Mar 5 #53

Well, it's a constitutional technicality...not just some legal hairsplitting. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #2

Still a technicality. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #3

Bill Clinton never had a majority win in a presedential election Zeitghost Mar 2024 #11

I'm not saying a president who loses the popular vote but wins the electoral vote is illegitimate. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #16

I guess it's an interesting political fact Zeitghost Mar 2024 #19

But even a wild card winning the Super Bowl... Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #23

It runs counter to your opinion Zeitghost Mar 2024 #25

Answer to your question: Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #26

Not all States had binding public elections Zeitghost Mar 2024 #27

1992 & 1996, Bill Clinton won popular and electoral college ffr Mar 2024 #31

Yes... Zeitghost Mar 2024 #33

You said: "Bill Clinton never had a majority win in a presedential election" ffr Mar 2024 #48

I think you need to look up what Majority means Zeitghost Mar 2024 #51

You cited Wikipedia. Dr. Strange Mar 5 #54

Clearly not a good comparison with popular vs electoral vote. triron Mar 2024 #49

Did Hillary get a majority if one counts non voters? Kaleva Mar 2024 #32

No doubt a majority of voters did not want Trump. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #47

In the end.... Turbineguy Mar 2024 #4

Had Hillary won, it likely would have been a technicality too. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #5

She would have certainly still had a plurality at the very least. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #7

Let's hope he doesn't change that in November. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #15

The horse race pie just came out of the oven. Hugin Mar 2024 #6

Hardly a technicality, it's been the mechanism we've elected Prez for a long time. It is frustrating at times, for sure. Silent Type Mar 2024 #8

When it's a mechanism that would otherwise be declared unconstitional... Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #28

What? MichMan Mar 2024 #30

Reynolds v. Sims, 373 U.S. 533 (1964) Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #34

What other Constutional requirements do you regard to be a technicality? NT mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2024 #9

We purport ourselves to be a democracy (at least a representative democracy.) Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #17

So, the Senate goes too, right? NT mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2024 #22

The Senate has always had problems. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #24

Isn't that how electors are chosen? * mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2024 #35

Not necessarily. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #18

At the time of the founding, the office of president wasn't considered to be important. J_William_Ryan Mar 2024 #10

House gop at the time knew he had russian support. Karadeniz Mar 2024 #12

Every republican president after Ike "won" via malfeasance of one sort or another PSPS Mar 2024 #13

you've diluted the meaning of the phrase 'on a technicality' to basically Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #14

If our country wishes to consider itself a democracy... Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #21

He didn't "win" MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2024 #20

I still believe Russian hackers together with Cambridge analytica triron Mar 2024 #50

Trump won because he prevailed under the process TexasDem69 Mar 2024 #29

You're confusing "winning on a technicality" with "winning illegitimately." Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #39

But you are referring to the sole deciding factor as a "technicality" TexasDem69 Mar 2024 #42

Cambridge Dictionary's definition: Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #45

See this story that just coincidentally popped up on my news feed: Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #46

The Electoral College is not a technicality DavidDvorkin Mar 2024 #36

That "technicality" is the election sarisataka Mar 2024 #38

See Post 39. nt Tommy Carcetti Mar 2024 #41

I agree with post 38 and believe it is 100% correct nt sarisataka Mar 2024 #43

The electoral college needs to go LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2024 #40