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angrychair

(8,733 posts) Wed Apr 3, 2024, 10:09 PM Apr 3

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No longer defending Israel [View all]

This war is no longer about Hamas but misplaced revenge against the people of Gaza.
I am now fully in the camp that Israel's primary goal at this point is genocide of the Palestinian people.
There is no other interpretation.

The attack on World Central Kitchen vehicles was a means to an end to halt/slow food aid to Gaza. I believe it is fully their intention to stave the Palestinian people to death.

I am fully in the camp demanding a complete halt to all aid and assistance to Israel of any kind. I also feel the the US should expel all but the Israeli ambassador to the US.
The Israeli commander of that attack should be sanctioned and deemed persona non grata.

Biden must up the pressure on Israel or risk real trouble going into the general election.
I will still vote for him but I'll be honest this is pretty awful and not a good look for Democrats.

I stand with Chef Andrés and I believe him

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No longer defending Israel [View all] angrychair Apr 3 OP

I'm with you. Scrivener7 Apr 3 #1

me too TomDaisy Apr 4 #203

Luckily, President Biden doesn't agree TexasDem69 Apr 3 #2

The quibbling over the word "genocide" reminds me of arguing about what type of gun was . . . . Stinky The Clown Apr 3 #5

The word "genocide" has meaning TexasDem69 Apr 3 #8

Ethnic cleansing, then. LuvLoogie Apr 3 #20

Just as random and just as inapplicable. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #70

It is literal, textbook ethnic cleansing obamanut2012 Apr 4 #113

Whose textbook? Beastly Boy Apr 4 #133

Oh stop. you always do this, and you know exactly what I mean obamanut2012 Apr 4 #151

The rationalizing is appalling, no? BuddhaGirl Apr 4 #169

Everyone forgets the 1940's and what Israeli population went through. jimfields33 Apr 4 #183

Learned their lesson too well OrangeJoe Apr 4 #186

Is this your take on the current conflict? yagotme Apr 5 #261

I have not forgotten agalisgv Apr 4 #223

You want me to stop asking you where you get your stuff so you can keep referring to Beastly Boy Apr 4 #198

My Lai is not an equivalent BigmanPigman Apr 3 #23

gen·o·cide /ˈjenəˌsīd/ quakerboy Apr 3 #24

You do you, I'll do imprecise me Stinky The Clown Apr 3 #26

Because the word is being murielm99 Apr 4 #60

+1 betsuni Apr 4 #66

If Israel doesn't want Palestine to garner the world's sympathy Sky Jewels Apr 4 #80

If they supported the attacks on Israel, but didn't directly participate, they are still guilty. Lucky Luciano Apr 4 #148

Oh, so the thousands of children and teens that Israel has maimed slaughtered and starved are guilty? Sky Jewels Apr 4 #154

Be careful what you wish for OrangeJoe Apr 4 #188

..even the children? whathehell Apr 4 #225

Not the children. War is hell. Lucky Luciano Apr 4 #234

Massacres are worse.. whathehell Apr 4 #235

I think we need to seek the definition of "children" as Hamas sees it. yagotme Apr 5 #262

I can't imagine why one would 'need' to do that, whathehell Apr 6 #313

I'm sure there are some trial courts here in the US that would disagree with you, nt yagotme Apr 11 #318

Lol..I'm not at all sure of that, whathehell Apr 11 #320

I'm sure "children" can be tried as an adult. yagotme Apr 15 #321

In this country.. whathehell Apr 15 #322

The Israeli government is NOT synonymous with "the Jewish people" Sky Jewels Apr 4 #89

Don't you dare say that I murielm99 Apr 4 #90

Oh, that is what you said obamanut2012 Apr 4 #114

I separated the two. murielm99 Apr 4 #142

You are correct, as usual. Oopsie Daisy Apr 4 #112

Apparently your argument is that the word Voltaire2 Apr 4 #123

Thank you. By (incorrectly) using the loaded term "genocide", the interlocutor signals that ... AnrothElf Apr 4 #170

There is no evidence that Israelis are bathing Voltaire2 Apr 4 #171

Thank you. murielm99 Apr 4 #174

+1 betsuni Apr 5 #248

A one-sided war such as this sure looks a lot like genocide. No Palestinians were firing back at the IDF when they were TeamProg Apr 4 #197

A real war? murielm99 Apr 4 #205

THIS IS NOT A "WAR" - IT IS A MASSACRE! The casualty count is far, far too unbalanced to call this a "war". See::: TeamProg Apr 4 #207

I am not going to read any more of your changing explanations murielm99 Apr 4 #209

Hmmm, you are mistaken that I care about what you think of my posts. TeamProg Apr 4 #210

The poster didn't give their own definition.. whathehell Apr 4 #231

I agree. Butterflylady Apr 4 #168

Genocide is Genocide TheCynic56 Apr 4 #125

The UN never said that Israel is committing genocide lapucelle Apr 6 #305

Read the UN definition of genocide. It describes Israel's actions. Lonestarblue Apr 4 #135

No it doesn't. That's why the ICJ denied SA's demands for an immediate cessation lapucelle Apr 6 #308

The same UN that determined in 2005 JustAnotherGen Apr 6 #311

the bombing might not b, but mopinko Apr 4 #141

World Central Kitchen was in touch with the Israeli government . . . markpkessinger Apr 4 #167

Okay, how about mass murder? whathehell Apr 4 #216

Perhaps Hamas should have taken this into account BEFORE attacking Israel... yagotme Apr 5 #263

Great analogy. Basic LA Apr 4 #50

Thank you. Goddessartist Apr 4 #134

If the ICJ ruled tomorrow it was a genocide.... TheRealNorth Apr 4 #180

exactly. how many children are going to be smashed between floors of collapsed buildings TomDaisy Apr 4 #204

They are starving Gaza to death angrychair Apr 3 #6

WAR!! TexasDem69 Apr 3 #11

Money angrychair Apr 3 #16

Your suggestion would probably help wnylib Apr 4 #63

Wasn't talking about given money to Hamas angrychair Apr 4 #76

Yes, the Marshall Plan was an excellent program wnylib Apr 4 #166

Wow the poster said nothing of the sort obamanut2012 Apr 4 #116

Dunno. But I don't want my tax money going to Israel to allow it to continue. 3Hotdogs Apr 3 #29

Pretty sure targeting relief workers dflprincess Apr 3 #39

Not by wiping out every Palestinian in Gaza, KPN Apr 4 #64

There are multiple international treaties that Voltaire2 Apr 4 #94

Posters keep glossing over that obamanut2012 Apr 4 #117

You are still excusing the slaughter obamanut2012 Apr 4 #115

Starvation as a tactic of war is a war crime under the Rome Statute of the ICC markpkessinger Apr 4 #173

Apparently there are some here Mossfern Apr 4 #236

List those repeated attacks. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #72

Dead journalists OrangeJoe Apr 4 #190

Not only are you not citing sources, you are not even referring to the "they" Beastly Boy Apr 4 #201

Citation OrangeJoe Apr 4 #237

Thank you. This is what I was looking for. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #244

Journalists are journalists OrangeJoe Apr 5 #292

Sorry, there is a hell of a difference between propagandists and journalists. Beastly Boy Apr 6 #296

Israel is waging war against... dchill Apr 3 #12

How many bodies will be enough? Bayard Apr 3 #18

The children of the holocaust did not hate Germans for the rest of their lives. SunSeeker Apr 4 #73

They will rebuild Gaza BigMin28 Apr 4 #107

You're right. Gaza could be an opportunity to rethink the whole "middle east vs western culture" conundrum. jaxexpat Apr 4 #127

Not true OrangeJoe Apr 4 #191

Wrong. Golda Meir did not hate Germans. She advocated for reconciliation. SunSeeker Apr 5 #246

You may be right OrangeJoe Apr 5 #290

I've met plenty of elderly Germans who still held a grudge. cab67 Apr 4 #230

I don't think Netanyahu's plan involves Bettie Apr 4 #138

1200 people, so kill 30k and starve the rest of them to death? AllyCat Apr 3 #22

"Attacking unarmed civilians is beyond the pale no matter who does it." TBF Apr 3 #28

No. Even if Hamas does it. If you reread my post, AllyCat Apr 4 #105

He is trying to "root them out" - but I will agree with you that his methods do leave something TBF Apr 4 #136

Strawman OrangeJoe Apr 4 #192

If only that was true... nt sarisataka Apr 4 #199

Actually a lot of folks are not only defending Hamas - TBF Apr 4 #215

Rephrase OrangeJoe Apr 4 #238

Hamas is the Political Leadership JustAnotherGen Apr 7 #314

DU is missing a downvote button. erodriguez Apr 4 #48

I've thought that before and have come to think that that's probably a good thing. It seems to me that...... EarnestPutz Apr 4 #62

Then Israel should not target aid workers. Trueblue Texan Apr 4 #118

I've seen zero sympathy for Hamas on this board.. whathehell Apr 4 #228

I hear you. I do. Semantics aside, there is an important point to make here. PatrickforB Apr 4 #145

With all respect... appmanga Apr 4 #159

Israeli's goal OrangeJoe Apr 4 #185

So, the work permits Israel allowed Palestinians to enter Israel are fake news? yagotme Apr 5 #264

See for yourself OrangeJoe Apr 5 #289

From your post: yagotme Apr 5 #291

From the article you cited OrangeJoe Apr 6 #298

And they also allow for the betterment of Gazan citizens, yagotme Apr 11 #319

Long term goal OrangeJoe Apr 6 #299

So, the population of Israel is 100% Jewish descent by now, right? yagotme Apr 11 #317

I hope you are mistaken. TomSlick Apr 4 #229

Hamas was tacitly supported by the Israeli gov't radius777 Apr 5 #271

Bibi really blew it this time. BigmanPigman Apr 3 #3

I'm confident President Biden will continue to support TexasDem69 Apr 3 #4

Hopefully not angrychair Apr 3 #9

Well TexasDem69 Apr 3 #13

It's hysterical you think Bibi is for democracy obamanut2012 Apr 4 #122

He's for keeping Israel on the map which countries around it would rather they didn't exist jimfields33 Apr 5 #259

'Our great ally Israel' MyOwnPeace Apr 3 #14

Trying to eliminate Hamas and prevent future TexasDem69 Apr 3 #15

The people of Gaza angrychair Apr 3 #19

That is a good question. How many dead is enough? JanMichael Apr 3 #36

The many times I've seen that question asked, MorbidButterflyTat Apr 5 #295

Who, exactly, do you think Hamas is??? yagotme Apr 5 #265

No, that is incorrect angrychair Apr 5 #268

How is my assessment not accurate? yagotme Apr 5 #270

You seem to have your mind made up angrychair Apr 5 #275

As do you: yagotme Apr 5 #280

"Anyone with a sense of decency fully supports Israel." MyOwnPeace Apr 3 #27

None of us has the right to judge which of us has "a sense of decency." ShazzieB Apr 4 #61

I have lots of decency but I absolutely do not support Phoenix61 Apr 4 #111

I don't support the murder of innocent people obamanut2012 Apr 4 #124

I used to support Israel TheCynic56 Apr 4 #126

How dare you? I don't support what Israel is doing at all. Even my Israeli family doesn't support what Nanjeanne Apr 4 #144

Speaking as someone with a sense of decency - cab67 Apr 4 #232

I agree, it's time for ceasefire. yagotme Apr 5 #266

I'm not laying all of this on the Israeli government or the IDL. cab67 Apr 5 #286

I didn't say that you were. yagotme Apr 5 #287

It is not revenge. It is war to eliminate a terrorist organization wnylib Apr 4 #87

+1 betsuni Apr 4 #92

Then he will lose on November obamanut2012 Apr 4 #121

are you being sarcastic? LymphocyteLover Apr 4 #161

What a great ally. NH Ethylene Apr 4 #242

Only those JustAnotherGen Apr 7 #315

This is similar to our war in Iraq after 9/11 Yavin4 Apr 3 #7

Good point, Bayard Apr 3 #21

Correct. VicNEO Apr 3 #44

No, Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorist attack. Completely different. betsuni Apr 4 #99

I said "similar to" not "exactly like". n/t Yavin4 Apr 4 #211

And neither did Palestinians - Hamas is an Israeli puppet gov't radius777 Apr 5 #272

Right. War against terrorism Easterncedar Apr 4 #110

If Trump wins, it's gonna get worse. We also provide financial support on a 10 year basis. It's auto-renewed. LeftInTX Apr 4 #132

Bad and worse OrangeJoe Apr 4 #193

A Lancet survey found over 650,000 civilian deaths resulting from the unjust Iraq war Ponietz Apr 4 #184

+1. Israel has already lost, as even Thomas Friedman radius777 Apr 5 #273

DURec leftstreet Apr 3 #10

You can no longer argue that Israel doesn't target civilians. patphil Apr 3 #17

This is a turning point for both Biden and Bibi BigmanPigman Apr 3 #25

Hear Hear! Many DUers are in this position. Basic LA Apr 4 #54

I hear you. Goddessartist Apr 4 #131

That's the spirit ! Basic LA Apr 4 #155

Hang in there, you're doing great. AloeVera Apr 5 #293

Thanks, I have to get grip Basic LA Apr 5 #294

So glad to see you! Goddessartist Apr 6 #307

Blessings to you as well, Goddessartist! AloeVera Apr 6 #310

Good morning! Goddessartist Apr 7 #316

Please try to understand creeksneakers2 Apr 3 #30

There is no question that Biden has a perspective on things that is beyond our ability to see. Earth-shine Apr 3 #33

I was always voting for Biden angrychair Apr 3 #35

Yes. Especially among the young people. creeksneakers2 Apr 4 #47

Gaza is a wasteland and unless the hostages were moved out of there Deuxcents Apr 3 #31

It is not a matter of misplaced revenge Martin Eden Apr 3 #32

BN's actions are what jeopardize the existence of Israel radius777 Apr 5 #277

The purpose of the war is to destroy Hamas. madaboutharry Apr 3 #34

Absolutely on purpose angrychair Apr 3 #40

You are free to believe what you want. madaboutharry Apr 4 #46

It's not what I believe angrychair Apr 4 #49

How does executing WCK workers destroy Hamas? Voltaire2 Apr 4 #96

Have to rec this with a post Mossfern Apr 4 #239

Purposefully bypassing literally 5 layers of safeguards to kill one suspected gunman is not destroying Hamas ... uponit7771 Apr 6 #300

Why isn't anyone putting pressure on Egypt to let Gazan women and children in so they can be safe and fed? SunSeeker Apr 3 #37

That what Israel is trying to do angrychair Apr 3 #41

Israel disengaged and forced all the Jewish settlers out of Gaza in 2005 so Beastly Boy Apr 4 #52

It's not what you think angrychair Apr 4 #55

What I think is that your reply shows no substance or logic to your claims. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #59

I'm not Google. angrychair Apr 4 #74

An opinion piece over 10 years old. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #82

What is wrong with saving women and children from the fighting? SunSeeker Apr 4 #67

You know that's Jared Kushner's idea, right? maxsolomon Apr 4 #164

No, temporarily giving women and children sanctuary in Egypt is not Jared's idea. SunSeeker Apr 5 #249

Egypt doesn't want ethnic cleansing under guise of humanitarianism. AloeVera Apr 4 #181

Israel did not create this mess. Hamas did. Saving women and children is the opposite of ethnic cleansing. SunSeeker Apr 5 #250

EC plus Collective Punishment under guise of humanitarianism AloeVera Apr 5 #260

No, it is not collective punishment for Gaza men, anymore than it was for Ukrainian men. SunSeeker Apr 5 #282

So they can leave and never return. Israel will never let them come back. IronLionZion Apr 4 #58

No, so they can survive. SunSeeker Apr 4 #65

The history of that region in the last 3-5 generations says otherwise. RockRaven Apr 4 #79

What does any of that matter if they are dead? SunSeeker Apr 4 #83

I'm not commenting on the value of their lives only the lack of evidence that RockRaven Apr 4 #84

Don't their lives matter more than the potential risk to Palestinian nationalism? SunSeeker Apr 4 #86

I repeat my previous reply. What you are saying to me is a repeated non sequitur. RockRaven Apr 4 #93

It is not a "non sequitor." I am asking you a question you obviously don't want to answer. SunSeeker Apr 6 #297

The history of the region does not justify letting women and children die in the crossfire of war. nt SunSeeker Apr 5 #247

Of course it doesn't JUSTIFY it. And yet the historical record is awash in it. RockRaven Apr 5 #251

Good, then we're in agreement that Egypt's refusal to temporarily let in Gazan women and children is unjustified. nt SunSeeker Apr 5 #252

I have uttered no comment upon that, so it is odd to assert I agree with it. RockRaven Apr 5 #253

So you're fine with Egypt building a wall and keeping Gazan women and children out? nt SunSeeker Apr 5 #254

As previously with you, I repeat my previous reply in response to your RockRaven Apr 5 #255

Your previous replies are not responsive to this question. This question calls for a yes or a no answer. nt SunSeeker Apr 5 #256

Your question is unrelated to my original reply. Do you pose random questions RockRaven Apr 5 #257

It's not a random, nor an unrelated question. You just don't want to answer it. SunSeeker Apr 5 #258

lol obamanut2012 Apr 4 #219

Israelis have killed almost 200 humanitarian aid workers have now been killed and at least 95 journalists and media summer_in_TX Apr 3 #38

The UN figure is 180, and not all of them were killed by Israeli strikes. SunSeeker Apr 4 #91

It's easier to make mistakes in the dark. summer_in_TX Apr 5 #245

We only needed to look at the recent history of our own blood lust after 9-11. onecaliberal Apr 3 #42

Fuck Israel d_b Apr 3 #43

Fuck Hamas. EllieBC Apr 4 #213

Link to where that poster or ANYONE on DU not a 50-post troll said that obamanut2012 Apr 4 #220

Post removed Post removed Apr 4 #227

I'm with you. AverageOldGuy Apr 3 #45

That si very clever -- small arms ammo only obamanut2012 Apr 4 #221

Did you ever? Behind the Aegis Apr 4 #51

Go look at my posts angrychair Apr 4 #56

Egypt, Lebanon? SunSeeker Apr 4 #69

Point me to one. (I will look later, so just one) EDIT NEVERMIND, I looked... Behind the Aegis Apr 4 #88

Those are not "attacks" angrychair Apr 4 #139

Remember, lift with knees when moving goalposts. Behind the Aegis Apr 4 #194

The search feature has been interesting to review posts from October 7. sarisataka Apr 4 #143

I defended Israel on their Gaza invasion and attacks, up until I learned how they are restricting food so severely that LymphocyteLover Apr 4 #162

the entire area makes me sick Skittles Apr 4 #53

I cannot stop crying. To think that a people who have been persecuted would treat others so! emmacom Apr 4 #57

You mean like the persecuted Palestinians who killed and raped teenage concert goers? SunSeeker Apr 4 #68

Holocaust enid602 Apr 4 #95

How sad that you cannot stop crying, but welcome to DU. lapucelle Apr 6 #309

This is the aftermath of 10/07-The day Hamas broke the ceasefire. sheshe2 Apr 6 #312

If Biden loses to Trump... Xolodno Apr 4 #71

No, we left Vietnam because we lost. SunSeeker Apr 4 #75

Well, I'll respond to this. Xolodno Apr 4 #77

Yep claudette Apr 4 #78

Yeah, I'm sure you were supporting Israel before Mountainguy Apr 4 #81

The US supports Israel, what else is new? akbacchus_BC Apr 4 #100

I support the Israel that is currently taking to the streets trying to hold Netenyahu responsible for actions tirebiter Apr 4 #85

The indefensible cannot be defended. Israel has lost the moral high ground. It's gone elocs Apr 4 #97

I agree with you. Israel wants Gaza and netenyahu is cruel to do what hitler did to jews as akbacchus_BC Apr 4 #98

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you malaise Apr 4 #101

Then the scorpion said to the kind frog: ''I couldn't resist, it's my nature" Donkees Apr 4 #102

Correct is right malaise Apr 4 #103

Seems Nethanyahu should try to swim on his own Donkees Apr 4 #104

Enough is enough Raven123 Apr 4 #106

K&R Doc Sportello Apr 4 #108

The same people calling me "pro-Hamas" RandiFan1290 Apr 4 #109

Israel has killed tens of thousands, "mostly women and children". mwb970 Apr 4 #119

All Israelis? JustAnotherGen Apr 4 #120

It has seem to taken a turn Johnny2X2X Apr 4 #128

I actually don't think N is after revenge. I think he's after land Scrivener7 Apr 4 #130

I don't think that Johnny2X2X Apr 4 #137

Hamas has achieved its goal SARose Apr 4 #129

Israel was on the verge of Arab world countries recognizing Israel. Thanks to Bibi, that is not going to happen RAB910 Apr 4 #146

I had forgotten that SARose Apr 4 #214

+1, Hamas is meeting its goal and Bibi is helping them at every step uponit7771 Apr 6 #304

Idiot homicidal maniacs are making the world forget Oct. 7 dalton99a Apr 4 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Apr 4 #149

Post removed Post removed Apr 4 #147

This knee jerk slur really doesn't work in this situation anymore. Scrivener7 Apr 4 #150

I missed the post, but I bet I know what it said obamanut2012 Apr 4 #152

Yep. I bet you do too. Scrivener7 Apr 4 #175

Five prohibited acts atreides1 Apr 4 #153

K&R It saddens me to read denials of reality here, the deliberate and desperate attempt to deflect from the point msfiddlestix Apr 4 #156

Yea it's sad so many people are myopic one issue voters BannonsLiver Apr 4 #165

Agree completely. I have good friends who are making the ME War their political hill to die on. msfiddlestix Apr 4 #195

These 1-issue voters were just waiting for a fucking reason to hate Biden and tee-off on Jews in the process. Sick shit. SoFlaBro Apr 4 #241

100 percent true BannonsLiver Apr 5 #269

Self-governance sindri Apr 4 #157

For me it's not about defending Israel. ismnotwasm Apr 4 #158

This is not a war. This is vengeance. This is a slaughter by starvation and disease. Big Blue Marble Apr 4 #178

No, it isn't. ismnotwasm Apr 4 #187

And Israel has been killing and abusing Palestinians Big Blue Marble Apr 4 #240

And Palestinians have been killing Israelis' before Hamas, too. yagotme Apr 5 #267

Many more Palestinians have been killed radius777 Apr 5 #274

Then I guess that Israel is so much better than Palestinian terrorists yagotme Apr 5 #276

Israel is well funded by the west radius777 Apr 5 #279

Hamas is well funded/supplied by Iran. yagotme Apr 5 #281

Hamas is funded by Iran and Qatar, radius777 Apr 5 #283

Hamas doesn't want a 2-state solution, either. yagotme Apr 5 #284

Of course, that's why Bibi propped up Hamas, radius777 Apr 5 #285

Yes it is ... The Chef has more credibility than Bibi or Biden on this issue. Reality has to set in at some point uponit7771 Apr 6 #301

Yes. Please contact the White House about this. LymphocyteLover Apr 4 #160

Meh BannonsLiver Apr 4 #163

Israel has done a masterful job of of squandering both public opinion and the undisputed high ground they held. BobTheSubgenius Apr 4 #172

So nothing about the Hamas hostages? Mosby Apr 4 #176

That people are dying of starvation angrychair Apr 4 #179

Hamas is stealing most of the food aid. Mosby Apr 5 #288

A person can believe The Chef and want hostages to be freed, no one should support starving millions of people for uponit7771 Apr 6 #303

I realized it way early on when Netanyahu said that all Gaza's people were Hamas. He earlier had LiberalArkie Apr 4 #177

There will be no development on Gaza Beaches. Not without the world watching!! MenloParque Apr 4 #182

Agreed Deep State Witch Apr 4 #189

We ALL KNEW this was coming. Israel was NOT going to stop at just bombing a 'few hospitals', right? nt TeamProg Apr 4 #196

It's not a "war" it is a MASSACRE. nt TeamProg Apr 4 #200

I'm getting there. It's like Dresden in slow motion. carpetbagger Apr 4 #202

I consider Dresden a war crime by us, but it wasn't really one then obamanut2012 Apr 4 #224

And I didn't consider the opening Israeli response as such. carpetbagger Apr 4 #243

Same yankee87 Apr 4 #206

Slobodan had PLENTY of supporters as well. nt TeamProg Apr 4 #208

Some of the detailed and convoluted reasoning seen here to justify Aussie105 Apr 4 #212

Very well said obamanut2012 Apr 4 #226

Post removed Post removed Apr 4 #217

If you disagree, why not just answer? obamanut2012 Apr 4 #218

I get it agalisgv Apr 4 #222

+1, The Chef has been in more than one conflict and knows when his people are being targeted uponit7771 Apr 6 #302

same Evolve Dammit Apr 4 #233

I stopped in the 90's RANDYWILDMAN Apr 5 #278

Me too. Goddessartist Apr 6 #306