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103. It is the

Fri Apr 5, 2024, 03:51 PM

Apr 5

"libbie/commies" who have a right to rage and resentment. The demographic being discussed is the same group who receive more than the blue states in federal assistance from blue state taxes.
When there is a disaster in a "libbie/commie" state they vote against aid and assistance to those states, yet we never deny them. Despite all asstance they remain the worst educated, highest infant and mother mortality, lowest wages and poorest in the nation.
Consider Texas, Republican state for 29 years, they run on "elect us and we will fix it." And they keep electing them! After almost THREE DECADES!
Someone else can fill in on the Deep South states!

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What Liberals Get Wrong About 'White Rural Rage' -- Almost Everything [View all] LauraInLA Apr 5 OP

Takes him a while to get to the point. maxsolomon Apr 5 #1

Yeah, I wanna call BS on that too Happy Hoosier Apr 5 #2

Worse NanaCat Apr 5 #3

Worse. They demand respect for their disrespect of others. unblock Apr 5 #14

One of the biggest rednecks I worked with at a Budweiser distributor accuse me of not having any respect brewens Apr 5 #129

One of his points, which I think we would agree with, is that this is not specifically a rural problem. LauraInLA Apr 5 #6

I don;t think anyone here is arguing that white rural people are uniform. Happy Hoosier Apr 5 #66

while almost nothing about whether his address is rural stopdiggin Apr 5 #82

I live amongst them and you are absolutely correct prodigitalson Apr 5 #9

Interesting upshot from the Atlantic article about this book: LauraInLA Apr 5 #86

As you say, "rustic types" and "city slickers" may often distrust and dislike each other. LauraInLA Apr 5 #5

that's because I think many rural resentments are unfounded. maxsolomon Apr 5 #75

Definitely read the Atlantic article recced above -- it has a lot of useful LauraInLA Apr 5 #81

At the same time these people are ready to put "liberals" in cannons and shoot them into space Cosmocat Apr 5 #125

The related _Atlantic_ article is more direct -- LauraInLA Apr 5 #67

Thanks for this info Bayard Apr 5 #151

It is the homegirl Apr 5 #103

so this is another "understand the Trump voter" apologia... agingdem Apr 5 #105

I think that's not really the problem the author has with this book; LauraInLA Apr 5 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Apr 5 #130

It's simply bad behavior, no excuse for enabling bad thinking uponit7771 Apr 5 #133

Their "rage" is based on their fears. Ping Tung Apr 5 #4

As we also know, racism is not particularly or exclusively a rural trait. LauraInLA Apr 5 #8

who are these rural whites that voted for Obama in 2012? I have never met one. I know a bunch who like to spit "Hussien prodigitalson Apr 5 #15

"How do you do. Pleased to meet you." yagotme Apr 5 #19

a rural white and a black swan all at once! prodigitalson Apr 5 #21

How do you figure? yagotme Apr 5 #34

I was born and raised in East Texas, so spare me prodigitalson Apr 5 #36

So was my grandfather, and his whole family votes Democratic. LauraInLA Apr 5 #41

50 years ago all of the rural whites voted Dem..we all know what happened prodigitalson Apr 5 #44

The point is, you seem to have an issue with rural whites, yagotme Apr 5 #48

I am saying that as a demographic they area waste of time for Democrats. I know them. I live among them prodigitalson Apr 5 #54

So, "To hell with us", right? yagotme Apr 5 #58

The billions going to rural infrastructure in Biden's bill is you not getting any consideration from your Scrivener7 Apr 5 #70

In another reply, I referred to those that think the Dem Party should yagotme Apr 5 #76

So you DO want more Democratic money spent in places where Democrats have no hope of Scrivener7 Apr 5 #89

Seems people putting words in my mouth today is a popular event. yagotme Apr 5 #92

I live among them myself, you can't reason with one of the Trump cult doc03 Apr 5 #153

My point is, that my white rural family votes Democratic today. LauraInLA Apr 5 #53

I've lived in big cities, and rural areas. yagotme Apr 5 #50

++ They exist but familiar, negative perceptions are hardened. appalachiablue Apr 5 #111

Thanks for the article recommendation! LauraInLA Apr 5 #146

I'd guess the 20-30% of rural Americans who vote Democratic. LauraInLA Apr 5 #40

And that leaves 70% who are POS. nt GuppyGal Apr 5 #88

I'm one Kaleva Apr 5 #91

(Shhhh. We don't exist.) nt yagotme Apr 5 #93

For the longest time, racism was, in theory, confined to the South. We know that ain't true either. Chainfire Apr 5 #101

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad -- LauraInLA Apr 5 #147

After all these years of having the reasons for white rural rage shoved down my throat, Scrivener7 Apr 5 #7

This article is a data-driven analysis differentiating resentment (rational) from rage (irrational). LauraInLA Apr 5 #11

That's nice. Scrivener7 Apr 5 #13

Not "nice", but important, especially since it includes POC who Democrats tend to LauraInLA Apr 5 #43

No. By definition, POC are not part of rural white rage. Scrivener7 Apr 5 #49

The book is talking about rural areas as though it's only the whites who count. LauraInLA Apr 5 #52

No, opposite. The book authors: "24% of rural Americans are non-white now and we have had eight years since Trump betsuni Apr 5 #145

I've read that chapter. LauraInLA Apr 6 #155

The book is about white rage so of course "the 'rage' focused on in the book is that of whites." betsuni Apr 6 #156

You responded to my comment where I said the book focused on white rage/resentment, while the LauraInLA Apr 6 #158

White rural Republican voters are the overwhelming majority with disproportionate power but betsuni Apr 6 #159

I guess we're talking at cross purposes. The book misuses data in multiple ways LauraInLA Apr 6 #165

True, non white rural Americans aren't wanting to take establish a dictatorship cause their guy lost uponit7771 Apr 7 #169

Is It Really? ProfessorGAC Apr 5 #110

Yeah. I'm not seeing any data. Nor any point. Scrivener7 Apr 5 #137

You might find the Atlantic article mentioned above more interesting. LauraInLA Apr 5 #148

Great article. I read it all lindysalsagal Apr 5 #10

Thank you! I heartily agree. The idea that we should give up on rural voters is incredibly problematic. LauraInLA Apr 5 #17

Hat tip to ocelot2, who linked to an Atlantic article about this same book. LauraInLA Apr 5 #55

Thank you for the gift link! LearnedHand Apr 5 #113

Thanks to ocelot2!!! LauraInLA Apr 5 #120

I live in Texas and there's quite a bit of overlap between rural and non-rural. bluesbassman Apr 5 #12

I grew up in Texas and agree with you about the rural/semi-rural/urban overlap. LauraInLA Apr 5 #27

Great points. bluesbassman Apr 5 #57

I think you'll definitely find the Atlantic article mentioned above interesting -- LauraInLA Apr 5 #87

Cui bono? If it's true that "rural" Americans are a bunch of ignorant, racist hillbillies, Ocelot II Apr 5 #128

Another idiotic reference to 'self-reliance'. Aristus Apr 5 #16

Apparently, there are rural Democrats who are doing just that. Maybe we need to learn from them. LauraInLA Apr 5 #18

I'm not sure what I could learn from them. Aristus Apr 5 #23

I was referring to the Democratic politicians referenced who are successful with rural voters. LauraInLA Apr 5 #28

Hmm, think I found the "-ism". yagotme Apr 5 #42

With all due respect, considering that something like 20-30% of rural voters are Democrats LauraInLA Apr 5 #20

Respect... yagotme Apr 5 #26

Agreed!!! I just replied the same way ;). LauraInLA Apr 5 #30

Well, keep reading the thread. It just gets deeper. yagotme Apr 5 #46

Definitely! And absolutely read the Atlantic article mentioned above -- it's even better. LauraInLA Apr 5 #72

You're going to vote republican because some anonymous person Scrivener7 Apr 5 #62

The overall point was that some seem to think that the Dem Party yagotme Apr 5 #74

Plenty here do disparage city life. But why would I give a shit? Scrivener7 Apr 5 #84

The general gist of the thread, and to my general point, is the idea that the Dem Party yagotme Apr 5 #90

The Party support in cities is made up of the people who live in the cities. Scrivener7 Apr 5 #94

So, other than Presidential, what campaigns is the DNC/Dem Party assisting with? yagotme Apr 5 #96

People buy the yard signs and bumper stickers with their own money. Or the candidate's staff Scrivener7 Apr 5 #99

My local office has the signs/stickers, etc. yagotme Apr 5 #102

If the central Democratic party is paying for them, you're getting more Scrivener7 Apr 5 #104

+1 . n/t obnoxiousdrunk Apr 5 #63

This x1000 Ontheboundry Apr 5 #68

In small-town, rural areas, yagotme Apr 5 #85

My general thought Ontheboundry Apr 5 #106

Family "clan" in the old country becoming "small town" in the new. yagotme Apr 5 #108

This is it exactly Ontheboundry Apr 6 #166

Entitlement and an inflated sense of self worth Johnny2X2X Apr 5 #22

I read this twice and still can't figure out where this author is going. Raven123 Apr 5 #24

I shared the article because it is data-driven and suggests that the latest book and media response LauraInLA Apr 5 #39

Thanks for the response. Raven123 Apr 5 #56

Not being rural based is fine. yagotme Apr 5 #64

I agree with you! Sherrod Brown does seem in touch with and able to reach LauraInLA Apr 5 #65

Rural White Rage is the result of consuming too much AM hate radio RAB910 Apr 5 #25

And in the case of NE rural texas gay texan Apr 5 #60

I grew up in white rural America. shrike3 Apr 5 #29

Yeah, but we're the bad guys for not trying to understand them. Aristus Apr 5 #32

I'm originally from a small town in Ohio - surrounded by farmland. And... LeftinOH Apr 5 #31

A criticism of the Schaller/Waldman book from The Atlantic is at the link: Ocelot II Apr 5 #33

Thank you for sharing this! I'm interested to read more about this topic. LauraInLA Apr 5 #47

If you don't mind, I'm going to post that article separately with a hat tip to you. LauraInLA Apr 5 #73

About 75% of the vote TFG got in MI came from urban counties Kaleva Apr 5 #35

+1, looks like the author is conflating suburbs with rural or exurban areas. Sick of people making excuses for mostly .. uponit7771 Apr 6 #161

I agree Kaleva Apr 6 #163

I scanned, but did not closely read, this article. dawg Apr 5 #37

As someone above posted, here's another critique of the book: LauraInLA Apr 5 #51

Here in WI in '22 our white governor, Tony Evers, was reelected. elocs Apr 5 #38

So their racism is distinct from their rage? ismnotwasm Apr 5 #45

I don't think the author intends to suggest we ignore the racism. LauraInLA Apr 5 #59

the overriding point (or criticism) stopdiggin Apr 5 #98

So well put!!! LauraInLA Apr 5 #107

Those MF'ers that put buckshot in those Bud Light cans..... wolfie001 Apr 5 #61

article makes a decent point stopdiggin Apr 5 #69

Ooh, you should definitely read the Atlantic article mentioned above. LauraInLA Apr 5 #71

Rural Texas is dying SARose Apr 5 #77

hard to help people who don't want to help themselves LymphocyteLover Apr 5 #115

Self delete SARose Apr 5 #78

Ha, it was my meeting white rural people in the Michigan one summer in 1973 that made me go back to kimbutgar Apr 5 #79

Delusional thinking no_hypocrisy Apr 5 #80

The Atlantic article mentioned above makes a very interesting point: LauraInLA Apr 5 #83

I really didn't need a book to tell me all that. I have relatives who live in rural Alabama Ray Bruns Apr 5 #95

As the Atlantic article points out, the book says it's talking about rural whites, but it ISN'T. LauraInLA Apr 5 #97

I have to admit. I'm prejudice against some rural folks...especially in the South. chouchou Apr 5 #100

Where is the article that tells us what "Conservatives got wrong with the Urban American: Literally Everything" Bristlecone Apr 5 #109

I don't recall ANY TV news people interviewing Clinton voters thucythucy Apr 5 #122

+1 betsuni Apr 5 #139

"That would be a massive mistake ... that does truly threaten democracy"??? LearnedHand Apr 5 #112

I think he has a point -- Dems are devoting resources to rural areas, but we need to find ways to reach them politically. LauraInLA Apr 5 #117

I agree Kaleva Apr 5 #124

There are Democrats in rural areas. It's hard for the party to reach them due to mileage required. LeftInTX Apr 5 #114

I agree LearnedHand Apr 5 #116

People hold to their values, or they don't. Has nothing to do with what you MerryBlooms Apr 5 #140

I grew up in rural, north central Pennsylvania, and still have family there; I'm not buying it! n/t markpkessinger Apr 5 #118

Not buying what? LauraInLA Apr 5 #119

That liberals have "got it all wrong" about rural folks! n/t markpkessinger Apr 5 #121

One thing this and the Atlantic article mention in rebuttal to the book is that LauraInLA Apr 5 #123

I hope Biden gets the message out that broadband internet will allow applegrove Apr 5 #126

Nah, we get it that they're simply trash. Jirel Apr 5 #127

Rage was on full display Jan, 6, 2021. RandySF Apr 5 #131

What will it taketo make them happy because economics has absolutely nothing to do with it. RandySF Apr 5 #132

Half of this thread is just dehumanizing rural voters Mountainguy Apr 5 #134

No kidding. MuseRider Apr 5 #138

Yeah Mountainguy Apr 5 #141

Exactly that AND MuseRider Apr 5 #142

Pretty much Captain Stern Apr 5 #149

Randos on a political message board dehumanizes more than having resources taken away and handed to the rich? uponit7771 Apr 6 #162

I had the book on my list of possible purchases but now I'm definitely buying it. betsuni Apr 5 #135

Democratic union types sound like rural types, too Sympthsical Apr 5 #136

I wish I could give you a thousand recommendations! LauraInLA Apr 5 #154

The problem ThoughtCriminal Apr 5 #143

FYI, both sides gerrymander. ni yagotme Apr 11 #170

Morning Joe interview with the authors here. The liberal/Democrat elites ignore/don't listen thing is BS. betsuni Apr 5 #150

And Trae Crowder (The Liberal Redneck) interview with the book authors. betsuni Apr 6 #160

You've got to remember that... LudwigPastorius Apr 5 #152

Well, isn't this a thorny topic? Bayard Apr 6 #157

Rush Limbaugh courted the Midwest rural vote for over 30 years Norbert Apr 6 #164

I'm just bored by them JustAnotherGen Apr 6 #167

This is not new shit... WJ Cash Mind of the South jcgoldie Apr 6 #168