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intheflow

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93. Yeah, when I hear "liberals" saying they won't support Biden because of Palestine, I think:

Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:44 AM

Apr 10

You don't actually give a shit about women's bodily autonomy, you're fine with outlawing abortion and birth control, you're fine with women and doctors being arrested for even talking about abortions and birth control.

You're fine with giving all the oil companies free reign on the National Parks and every polluting industry getting complete immunity to trash our planet with impunity.

You think it's okay for LGBTQ and BIPOC people to live in constant fear of their lives, and to roll back their rights 100 years.

You don't believe Russia is controlling the Republican Party, adn even if they are, you're not bothered by that.

All because Biden hasn't waved a wand and magically brought peace to the MIddle East. You care more about Palestinians than you care about your fellow countrymen. Because there is no way in hell we can be expected to clean up the rest of the world's messes until we get our own house in order. WTAF are they thinking?!

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'Illiberal and dangerous' behavior of far-left is destroying Democratic Party: op-ed [View all] JohnSJ Apr 9 OP

I think "destroying" is too strong a word. shrike3 Apr 9 #1

How about "neutering" ? Hekate Apr 9 #60

I don't know what impact this is going to have, honestly. shrike3 Apr 9 #74

I'm seeing it daily on my Facebook feed, intheflow Apr 10 #94

That they won't support Biden because of Palestine? shrike3 Apr 10 #97

The ignorance runs deep SouthernDem4ever Apr 11 #168

The fact is that we lost Gore, Hillary and Kerry. Demsrule86 Apr 10 #108

Can't argue. And they don't seem to learn, do they? shrike3 Apr 10 #112

That is the entire purpose of these Trump/Putin supporters. tritsofme Apr 9 #2

You do know that there are people on the actual left Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #4

If they don't support President Biden, they are absolutely Trump supporters. tritsofme Apr 9 #6

Post removed Post removed Apr 9 #10

This is a movement that calls him "Genocide Joe" and has actively campaigned against his reelection. tritsofme Apr 9 #13

Not what the article is about. I actually turned off my ad blocker to make sure. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #15

I wouldn't call them that, even though their actions are to Trump's benefit. Amishman Apr 9 #24

Exactly.. and Screaming Shit like .. "Enjoy trump"!!! Cha Apr 9 #25

No Pres Biden Supporters are NOT a "cult" as you accuse. Cha Apr 9 #26

So we can both support Biden and disagree with US policy in Israel? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #30

I wouldn't pay much attention to someone who apparently cannot even comprehend that that is a thing. soldierant Apr 9 #72

I think you have a nuanced, good point re a sudden "turn about"... electric_blue68 Apr 10 #146

Thanks --- soldierant Apr 10 #148

Yw. I don't know about "cheating all the time", but it sure can be a dicey game often enough depending on who's involved electric_blue68 Apr 11 #149

Expressing their anger at a Biden policy that is MadameButterfly Apr 9 #27

"a Biden policy". Really? Nixie Apr 10 #85

Biden admin again bypasses Congress to sell military equipment to Israel Celerity Apr 10 #111

Correct me if I am wrong but this article is from December? Demsrule86 Apr 10 #113

Yes, December 29th, but it shows two Biden policy actions in regards to Israel that many good Democrats disagree with. Celerity Apr 10 #116

This doesn't say it's a Biden policy. Nixie Apr 10 #114

That beggars belief. Of course it was Biden policy, he himself went around Congress and sent the military aid. Celerity Apr 10 #120

This is how the disinformation campaigns work. Nixie Apr 10 #127

yes it is, but not the way you are trying to project Celerity Apr 10 #132

Aren't you the one trying to "project"?? Insinuating Biden is shady and has a separate shady policy Nixie Apr 10 #138

No. Celerity Apr 10 #139

BTW, here is the Wiki page on the decades old history of U.S. policy towards Israel. Decades now. Nixie Apr 10 #140

+1 betsuni Apr 10 #141

subject sliding and a red herring for added spiciness Celerity Apr 10 #142

Wrong again. Subject sliding is trying to blame Biden Nixie Apr 10 #143

Wrong again. nt Celerity Apr 10 #144

Look at the subject matter of this thread. That would make me right on topic. Nixie Apr 11 #164

No. Celerity Apr 11 #165

Typical, but it doesn't change the facts. Nixie Apr 11 #166

It's seems to state that (and I will have to look into this more) that some Biden supporters at ?events are being... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #151

US policy on anything is subject to change as circumstances MadameButterfly Apr 11 #172

This is also how the disinformation campaigns work. Insinuating Biden can just change things Nixie Apr 12 #182

Every time you repeat 'disinformation" you remind me of Trump MadameButterfly Apr 11 #173

You remind me of Trump, too. He's a fact-free performer who engages in disinformation, so of Nixie Apr 12 #181

Oh good grief. n/t MadameButterfly Apr 15 #183

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. nt Nixie Apr 15 #184

That sounds like the kind of absolutism that we criticize the Right Wing of... Caliman73 Apr 9 #28

Methinks Moscow Marge The Wizard Apr 10 #84

It IS the exact same as the rightwing absolutism. Think. Again. Apr 10 #131

This all sounds like Russian interference to me. LakeArenal Apr 9 #39

If they didn't start it, they will certainly use it to sew chaos SouthernDem4ever Apr 11 #169

In a sense; by Omission. (hope that the right word!) electric_blue68 Apr 10 #147

They are not the extremists, they disagree on a couple of issues but will still vote for him Bev54 Apr 9 #47

Yes, as a matter of fact, Progressive is a POSITIVE stand here... Think. Again. Apr 10 #133

Far Left is also not a dirty word unless you claim an alliance with Putin MadameButterfly Apr 11 #174

Really? Do you forget the little dinner where Stein and Flynn joined Putin Bev54 Apr 11 #177

She has a different account of what she was doing there (you can google it). I'm not saying I agree MadameButterfly Apr 11 #178

You can think what you want but I am not falling for it. Bev54 Apr 11 #180

I'm sure this person would blame the protesters for Humphrey losing in 1968, too. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #3

I don't know, seems weird to me that anyone on a Democratic website would in any way support tritsofme Apr 9 #5

But the article is saying Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #9

You have a point, but imho shouting "Genocide Joe"; that's beyond the pale!... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #150

Especially since it's a GD LIE.. We're Fighitng to Save our Democracy AND Cha Apr 9 #31

So Left protestors should be supported 100% like "a cult," "no room for saying that betsuni Apr 9 #49

Maybe because this is Democratic Underground, not SocialDemocrat61 Apr 10 #89

Looking back now on how stupid our electorate can be SouthernDem4ever Apr 11 #170

Nonsense. The "Far Left" hasn't been strong since the late 60s - early 70s. Ping Tung Apr 9 #7

Back then tbey were attacking a democrat president ripcord Apr 9 #20

That would be because we started bombing the crap out of Vietnam. NT. Voltaire2 Apr 9 #33

with napalm n/t MadameButterfly Apr 11 #175

LBJ was one hell of a tough old bird. I doubt his feelings were hurt when we yelled that. Autumn Apr 9 #43

Actually, they were. Especially when his own daughter asked him if he was "really sure" when her husband... Hekate Apr 9 #66

He was lied to? A lot of people were lied to and 58,220 of them died. nt Autumn Apr 9 #73

He did in the end try to stop the war MadameButterfly Apr 11 #176

After the Tet Offensive public support for the war really started to end. Autumn Apr 11 #179

Yes, we were. With good reason. Ping Tung Apr 9 #61

I consider a continuum in our party more ?nuanced on the Center to Left... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #152

I was 24, a vet, college student, and postal worker. Ping Tung Apr 11 #167

I would be curious to know where their funding comes from. alwaysinasnit Apr 9 #8

I never got a check when I was protesting the Vietnam war. Come to think of it I didn't get a check Autumn Apr 9 #35

I am not questioning sincere protests, but there seems to be an element of astro-turfiness to alwaysinasnit Apr 9 #40

What's the difference between wars? What makes a war sincere? Autumn Apr 9 #42

I apologize, I was referring to the protests being sincere, not the war(s). alwaysinasnit Apr 9 #44

Uh...what does "astro-turfiness" mean? electric_blue68 Apr 11 #153

From Merriam-Webster alwaysinasnit Apr 11 #158

TY, I did not know this! And you may be right about some of these protests... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #159

The difference is Mossfern Apr 9 #59

Nobody ever said he was president of Israel. Not even the protesters think he is president of Israel. Autumn Apr 9 #62

But they act like Biden is president of Israel SocialDemocrat61 Apr 10 #90

I have seen not one person say Joe could stop the Gaza war with one phone call and Israel gets a LOT of Autumn Apr 10 #92

Well, you should visit my Facebook feed. intheflow Apr 10 #96

I've heard that facebook feeds are merely echo chambers... Think. Again. Apr 10 #134

Just because you didn't see them doesn't mean they didn't happen SocialDemocrat61 Apr 10 #98

Mehndi Hassan was not talking about Biden . He was talking about what happened in 1982 Autumn Apr 10 #100

The title of Hassan's article is literally SocialDemocrat61 Apr 10 #107

DING DING DING DING DING!!! AnrothElf Apr 9 #63

Ok then as we have no influence why not just stop all military aid? Voltaire2 Apr 10 #86

Because the US has interest in the area. Mossfern Apr 10 #87

That was then, this is now, Autumn Hekate Apr 9 #67

The more things change the more they stay the same. War is war. Autumn Apr 9 #68

It's pure astroturf courtesy of billionaire maoist tech-bro Roy Neville Singham lapucelle Apr 10 #75

+1 betsuni Apr 10 #80

This! Blue Idaho Apr 15 #186

Jodie Evans's Code Pink is behind the protests at Speaker Emerita Pelosi's home. lapucelle Apr 10 #76

Amy Goodman of Theocracy Now! attended the Singham-Evans nuptials. lapucelle Apr 10 #77

+1 betsuni Apr 10 #81

There are people who quote Amy Goodman madaboutharry Apr 10 #83

The Houthi-Hamas-Hezbollah "Axis of Resistance" narrative was posted here, lapucelle Apr 10 #91

Rwanda wasn't Houthis - it was Hutus AZSkiffyGeek Apr 10 #105

Right you are. It was the Houthis who were successful in the ethnic cleansing of the Jews in Yemen. lapucelle Apr 10 #124

That was incredibly Horrific! electric_blue68 Apr 11 #155

What the hell, Amy G?! electric_blue68 Apr 11 #154

Reminds me of the 2016 GE "conscience" voters mcar Apr 9 #11

they are trying to stop a slaughter of innocent civilians ProfessorPlum Apr 9 #12

That seems lost on people. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #19

Then they should Be Addessing HAMAS NOT Lying about Pres Biden. Cha Apr 9 #22

What was Shermanator Apr 9 #48

The proposal isn't Israel's per se. maxsolomon Apr 9 #55

I don't agree with them or their goals ripcord Apr 10 #104

Doesn't look like it's going well. BannonsLiver Apr 10 #117

lol the guy who said Clarence Thomas' corruption was exactly the same as Hunter Biden being Hunter Biden? k WhiskeyGrinder Apr 9 #14

I'm naturally going to view anything Chait writes with a jaundiced eye. LudwigPastorius Apr 9 #16

And, I'm Not "killing the messenger". Fuck the Liars who are screaming Cha Apr 9 #18

perhaps you should look more critically at Jonathan Chait (who is the foundation of this OP's article) Celerity Apr 9 #41

Thanks. twodogsbarking Apr 9 #45

Those GD Liars calling out "Genocide Joe" Should be Careful What they Cha Apr 9 #17

You know this article doesn't mention that very small group of protesters, right? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 9 #23

Why is chanting "Genocide Joe" a "strawman"? It's a hideious thing to call him that! electric_blue68 Apr 11 #156

Useful idiots for Trump and Putin. Elessar Zappa Apr 9 #21

Exactly.. TSF and Fascist Magats love this Shit. Cha Apr 9 #29

Bad Take Chait? Voltaire2 Apr 9 #32

Boo hoo. Jirel Apr 9 #34

And left-of-center pols will not automatically get my vote either. MotownPgh Apr 10 #82

GOP megadonor funds super PAC targeting Summer Lee (Jeff Yass, who has ties to Trump, Netanyahu, and China) Celerity Apr 10 #121

This is all over the news here. I would MotownPgh Apr 10 #122

in my opinion you are putting too much stock into RW FUD and agitprop, pushed by bad actors (as I laid out above) Celerity Apr 10 #123

Chait loved himself some Iraq war TheRealNorth Apr 9 #36

Haven't seen a "Democrats In Disarray!" hair-on-fire story in a while. Aristus Apr 9 #37

I don't know about "destroying the Democratic Party" EarlG Apr 9 #38

Far right covert money is funding that for a wedge issue IbogaProject Apr 9 #46

I'm pro Palestinian and would crawl through glass to vote for Joe. Difference is I don't have Autumn Apr 9 #51

In face to face company JustAnotherGen Apr 9 #50

The "Far Left" has always been a pot stirrer against the Democratic nominee. Fla Dem Apr 9 #52

It is what it is Shermanator Apr 9 #53

There's a significant difference between the "illiberal left" and the MAGA right. bluescribbler Apr 9 #54

For some reason the far left don't seem to get SidneyR Apr 9 #56

Because they don't care. They're going to support the downtrodden brown people marybourg Apr 10 #110

Supporting downtrodden brown people... Think. Again. Apr 10 #135

Clearly not. Life is more complex than that. marybourg Apr 10 #136

Well, at least you're honest about that. Think. Again. Apr 10 #137

Life may sometimes be more complex than that, but you're sure painting with too broad a brush.... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #157

It's because they are myopic twits who live in grievance bubbles. BannonsLiver Apr 10 #118

Tarek Bazzi is a handsome,young, gen Z, US citizen who is stirring up trouble and rallying protestors, but look at him: LeftInTX Apr 10 #125

Not this shit again Warpy Apr 9 #57

Not happening....................... Lovie777 Apr 9 #58

Bought and paid for by: rfk jr and russia!! PortTack Apr 9 #64

Back in 2018 the #WalkAway campaign was very active on a lot of left-leaning sites, urging liberals to leave sop Apr 9 #65

Yes, that was pathetic. Was shocked (though shouldn't have been) to see it promoted betsuni Apr 10 #78

The Anti-War movement is upset mdmc Apr 9 #69

As I recall it we went through a similar dysfunction around Hillary's campaign and how some of the people organizing it Ford_Prefect Apr 9 #70

As far as 1968 goes... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #160

I've been learning recently to follow the purchase patterns of division Torchlight Apr 9 #71

New York magazine, not the New Yorker Basic LA Apr 10 #79

It matters for accuracy, though I don't believe the article actually mentioned which New York magazine JohnSJ Apr 10 #88

Easy to happen. Basic LA Apr 10 #95

It's not a small mistake. Voltaire2 Apr 10 #106

I know. I mispoke.. Basic LA Apr 10 #109

Yeah, when I hear "liberals" saying they won't support Biden because of Palestine, I think: intheflow Apr 10 #93

A lot of these people are pro-Russian SocialDemocrat61 Apr 10 #99

If they're Not voting for Biden, then absolutely yes. electric_blue68 Apr 11 #161

Oh, Bullshit Scruffy1 Apr 10 #101

Well said, thank you. Think. Again. Apr 10 #128

Ty for giving some insight to the Palestinian-Americans you know. Not completely sure about the Far Left... electric_blue68 Apr 11 #163

Democrats in Disarray! Bristlecone Apr 10 #102

So failing to gin up a horse race with TFG and Joe, they're ginning up dissention in our party. marble falls Apr 10 #103

I see them as unserious people. Naive. Myopic. Twits. BannonsLiver Apr 10 #115

A year ago on "Morning Joe," Chait said we probably shouldn't call Trump or DeSantis Rob H. Apr 10 #119

In other words... Think. Again. Apr 10 #129

Yep. I've noticed that sometimes people can take Rob H. Apr 10 #145

Imagine being afraid to stand firm and speak strongly... Think. Again. Apr 10 #126

I can't disagree. Littlered Apr 10 #130

Do you disagree with Chait here? : Celerity Apr 11 #162

If he thinks the same thing 6 years later SouthernDem4ever Apr 11 #171

Fifth column disrupters pfitz59 Apr 15 #185