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Igel

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20. You're too binary.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:47 PM
Apr 26

Capitalism: You can accrue wealth and start businesses and control them.

Corporatism: You can accrue wealth and start businesses, but ultimately the government bribes or controls you.

Mixed capitalism: You can accrue wealth and start businesses, but you're constrained by bureaucrats.

Socialism: You can't really accrue wealth and start a business because the state owns it all. But you can run a business, if you acknowledge your overlords.



China is corporatist. Or was. Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, everything for the state. Very Mussolini. Very Hitler--pro-universal education, universal health care, insisted on (state-controlled) unions on corporate boards. But if you made buttons, whatever. You made steel, useful to the state, you were told quotas and output levels. You needed to know who held the other end of your leash.

Capitalism? No leash. Socialism? You'd beg for a leash, but as it is the entire territory is linked to a shock collar.

Think of "mixed economies" as deviating from "total control" in two ways. Orders on the one hand (because you're pwned) and regulations on the other (to preserve the illusion of liberty).

Trump. Romney. keithbvadu2 Apr 26 #1
Romney was correct Hekate Apr 26 #8
China is ruled by a muscular fascism. blm Apr 26 #2
China has state capitalism, not anything like the communism of the Maoist days. Pinback Apr 26 #3
After watching this, im not too worried aboit China Volaris Apr 26 #14
Sanity; thank you for the post MutantAndProud Apr 28 #31
Would you please summarize? Ponietz Apr 28 #32
Chinas population is such than within 50 years, theyll Volaris Apr 28 #36
The dumbasses killed all their sparrows over 60 years ago Ponietz Apr 28 #38
It really deserves its own thread; many issues MutantAndProud Apr 28 #37
Thanks Ponietz Apr 28 #39
You're too binary. Igel Apr 26 #20
yes mdmc Tuesday #40
China is communist TexasDem69 Apr 26 #4
They call their political party the Chinese Communist Party but how are their billionaire Chinese brewens Apr 26 #13
Uh, no. Xolodno Apr 26 #17
Mehhh... it's an Authoritarian State... WarGamer Apr 26 #5
Commies fascists - authoritarians. Dont forget.. 617Blue Apr 26 #10
Well, China says they are communist Progressive dog Apr 26 #6
The Nazis claimed to be socialist. Emrys Apr 26 #15
Communists have always run dictatorial regimes Progressive dog Apr 26 #16
Call it what you will, but it's a top-down authoritarian dictatorship Hekate Apr 26 #7
they are about as far from communism as you can get. lapfog_1 Apr 26 #9
Has anyone else noticed ripcord Apr 26 #11
It's a feature. comradebillyboy Apr 28 #27
It's an authoritarian state with a mixed economy Voltaire2 Apr 26 #12
I remember even back in '89, they were making so many of our commercial products Crunchy Frog Apr 26 #23
If China suddenly disappeared, the world would have a small hiccup RainCaster Apr 28 #29
They've transitioned from Maoist Communism... Xolodno Apr 26 #18
You forget The Bopper Apr 26 #19
They're not really a communist country though Crunchy Frog Apr 26 #21
That's my whole point. They say communist because that clicked with the inbreds in their focus groups. brewens Apr 26 #22
And it works well here too. Marcus IM Apr 28 #33
Republican wet dream Dave says Apr 26 #24
marxist leninist theory requires the development of a capitalist economic system as a prerequisite Voltaire2 Apr 28 #25
They call themselves communists. Elessar Zappa Apr 28 #26
China isn't really communist, for starters. yardwork Apr 28 #28
The're not eating our lunch right now. Their economy has been terrible the last two years Quixote1818 Apr 28 #30
China is crony capitalism with political and religious repression. RandySF Apr 28 #34
Communism is a simplistic, idiotic idea. gulliver Apr 28 #35
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