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119. The second and third time

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:19 PM

Jun 2013

Last edited Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:46 PM - Edit history (1)

the defense played the audio, I focused on just that tiny section, and the word she spoke is 'hear'. I can see how the transcriber heard 'coulda', because Jeantel seems to not complete the full tongue movement on ends of word with hard consonants, like words ending in 'd', so there is no release to make the letter's full sound. If you're listening to that, your brain might fill in a phantom soft sound at the end of the word, like the 'a' in 'coulda'.

Phonetically she says: "I cood her Trayvn'. I'll check the audio again later online, but doubt it will change what I'm hearing her say.

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: Day 4, Thursday, June 27. [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 OP

she looks poised and together riverwalker Jun 2013 #1

She is holding it together. See ZIMMERMAN though? JimDandy Jun 2013 #98

He was Fidgety Generic Other Jun 2013 #191

I'm not sure what you were watching WhataKnight Jun 2013 #183

Welcome to DU! cpwm17 Jun 2013 #185

He deserves jail time WhataKnight Jun 2013 #189

You are wrong. The gun changed everything Generic Other Jun 2013 #192

I'm sorry WhataKnight Jun 2013 #194

English is her third language and you complain she can't read, write cursive & doubt her? Huh uppityperson Jun 2013 #196

"I can't read cursive" n/t riverwalker Jun 2013 #2

evidently West can't either n/t riverwalker Jun 2013 #3

Asking Rachel about her characterzation of the case as a racial thing. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #4

West: "Are you okay? You seem so different from how you were yesterday" Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #5

I was interrupted when I heard her avebury Jun 2013 #8

OFFS. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #6

She looks like she has been crying her eyes are a bit swollen.... Little Star Jun 2013 #7

Does anyone have a link Lisa D Jun 2013 #9

here riverwalker Jun 2013 #11

Thanks! n/t Lisa D Jun 2013 #12

West: "isn't creepy assed cracker a racist comment"? n/t riverwalker Jun 2013 #10

I missed it. Was there an objection from Prosecution when he asked that? KurtNYC Jun 2013 #34

I think you can ask leading questions in cross-examination. antigone382 Jun 2013 #188

Judge: "Can we move on to another topic?" Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #13

he almost implied that Trayvons parents riverwalker Jun 2013 #31

It was clearly the implication. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #52

Judge seems frustrated by West's questioning today. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #14

I'm having a hard time watching him. Silly but... Little Star Jun 2013 #20

the lawyer is pissing me off warrior1 Jun 2013 #15

He's pissing the judge off, too. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #16

"That's the last time this question will be asked" fishwax Jun 2013 #44

Thanks Tommy. I was up late last night. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #17

Semi-OT: Fun with internets. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #18

It's called Purple Drank Lurks Often Jun 2013 #84

And yet your talking points and seemingly 'helpful' JimDandy Jun 2013 #100

So sorry facts disturb you. Lurks Often Jun 2013 #105

On conservative sites, JimDandy Jun 2013 #133

Saying Martin was NOT under the influence of anything is a smear? Lurks Often Jun 2013 #163

Your very first post JimDandy Jun 2013 #173

Oh the horror of it all Lurks Often Jun 2013 #175

And isn't even true. Skittles don't melt like Jolly Ranchers in the Mountain Dew DevonRex Jun 2013 #124

The victim smearing by that poster JimDandy Jun 2013 #135

HAHA!!! MOUNTAIN DEW +JOLLY RANCHERS + CODEINE isn't Watermelon Arizona & Skittles.nt DevonRex Jun 2013 #122

Your point is? Lurks Often Jun 2013 #125

Skittles don't melt in the drink like Jolly Ranchers. They're NOT the same. They're gummy. DevonRex Jun 2013 #128

I have already stated that Martin was NOT under Lurks Often Jun 2013 #167

West keeps harping on the letter riverwalker Jun 2013 #19

He is being an asshole, imho. Ugh.... Little Star Jun 2013 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author JimDandy Jun 2013 #78

i agree: he is not doing his client any favor noiretextatique Jun 2013 #116

not only a jackass, but a bore and a boor Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #149

She seems poised today, non teenager-ish, I like the teenager uponit7771 Jun 2013 #21

At this point the jury has to be thinking can we just finish this testimony up already chelsea0011 Jun 2013 #23

+1, cause she's not saying anything new and it looks like Z's attorney is being a jerk uponit7771 Jun 2013 #24

I am amazed how long she has been on the stand.... chelsea0011 Jun 2013 #25

The defense is trying to embarrass IMHO, he's being antagonistic now uponit7771 Jun 2013 #27

he is effectively planting reasonable doubt in the jury as to whether or not Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #152

if so, that's a good thing. magical thyme Jun 2013 #26

yes -- redirect is next KurtNYC Jun 2013 #30

He is trying to wear her down riverwalker Jun 2013 #28

I have seen that with expert witnesses, but not with a layperson and especially a kid DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #32

Dennis Fung at the OJ trial comes to mind. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #68

It has backfired for me and I'm just sitting in my own house.... Little Star Jun 2013 #101

Defense: At LEAST 20 seconds of Z following TM!! My goodness This guy is an IDIOT!! uponit7771 Jun 2013 #29

This attorney keeps slipping and using Zimmerman's name....this attorney Ninga Jun 2013 #33

HLN just made interesting comment riverwalker Jun 2013 #35

Prosecution back up on re-direct. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #36

Never mind. West's still droning on. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #37

"I could hear Trayvon" riverwalker Jun 2013 #38

Yes they are and sometimes they leave out things too. Little Star Jun 2013 #102

It is so hard to believe that Knock Knock is actually avebury Jun 2013 #39

I went to his firm's website. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #42

The defense had better make its point soon LittleBlue Jun 2013 #40

He is also just a fraction away from getting avebury Jun 2013 #41

+1, his droning on is a good indicator that her testimony was powerful IMHO uponit7771 Jun 2013 #43

playing the audio (jury out of room) riverwalker Jun 2013 #45

now attorneys are argueing riverwalker Jun 2013 #47

The audio sounds like she said "could'a heard Trayvon" targetpractice Jun 2013 #48

The most important word in her sentence JimDandy Jun 2013 #103

In the recorded deposition audio? targetpractice Jun 2013 #112

The second and third time JimDandy Jun 2013 #119

I'm at work and unable to follow. reflection Jun 2013 #46

It's a bit of a Roscharch test. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #49

Re: #2 - I think there's physical evidence to back that up TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #109

The four times she emphasized "Ended," it sounded like "Ennit." WinkyDink Jun 2013 #50

Oh dear LittleBlue Jun 2013 #51

If she heard "grass," she needs to explain that, not look dumbfounded by the follow-up question. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #54

She just recanted some testimony LittleBlue Jun 2013 #57

Next, watch West ask Rachel to describe the sound of one hand clapping. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #53

It's that bad? JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #56

I fully expected this. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #58

and wet grass is squeeky riverwalker Jun 2013 #81

But it's hard to elucidate in words. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #91

exactly n/t riverwalker Jun 2013 #97

and the jury probably knows exactly the sound she's talking about Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #156

Yes, but it would have taken JimDandy Jun 2013 #104

WTF is this assholes point?! bunnies Jun 2013 #55

He is trying to trip her up, confuse her and get her to Rex Jun 2013 #66

And this in front of an all female jury? bunnies Jun 2013 #69

My mom asked the same question. Rex Jun 2013 #193

I had to shut it off HockeyMom Jun 2013 #59

That is my take exactly. JimDandy Jun 2013 #86

This cross-examination is excruciating, Tanuki Jun 2013 #60

Leading the witness much? hedgehog Jun 2013 #61

To be fair, attorneys are allowed to lead on cross. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #62

Thanks! I didn't know that! hedgehog Jun 2013 #64

The judge really doesn't like West. woolldog Jun 2013 #63

Not much to like as far as I can see. bunnies Jun 2013 #70

His defense role probably is to be the point JimDandy Jun 2013 #107

"that would be retarded, Sir" riverwalker Jun 2013 #65

That's going to be rememberd....the defense should sit down and let someone else talk uponit7771 Jun 2013 #74

She said that? JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #79

Yep, she did. "THAT'S REAL RETARDED, SIR" DinahMoeHum Jun 2013 #108

Rachel, you go girlfriend!!! Don't let that slimeball, West, get to you!!! Stardust Jun 2013 #131

"No sir!"--Considerably louder from Rachel... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #67

he is trying to trap her riverwalker Jun 2013 #71

"I did not say he (Trayvon) approached him (Zimmerman)!" Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #72

(error) WinkyDink Jun 2013 #75

West puts forth the defense's position, she refutes, he goes, "Well, whatever." Where is the DA?? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #73

The DA should stomp a mud hole in the defense after that...knock knock woke everyone up uponit7771 Jun 2013 #83

Defense showing it's true colors and strategy now... Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #76

"If Trayvon Martin planned to assault." "If Trayvon Martin planned to attack." Trayvon the Villain. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #80

Yep. Totally twisting her words. Repeatedly suggesting that she said things she didn't say Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #82

Then trying to minimize her words with "In any event." WinkyDink Jun 2013 #85

Yes, all they have left is the harassment of witnesses. JimDandy Jun 2013 #89

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #94

"If Trayvon Martin was getting ready to assault..."???!!!! WTH?! FINALLY THE DA OBJECTS. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #77

IMHO West is alienating this jury riverwalker Jun 2013 #87

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #95

That's exactly what I think TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #195

Good grief. I find the JUDGE'S voice to be tremulous. They need Judge Judy! WinkyDink Jun 2013 #88

Why doesn't the judge insist Lisa D Jun 2013 #90

Ain't THAT a good question! Oy. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #92

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #93

delay and sidebar, at dispute riverwalker Jun 2013 #96

"Yeah, lunch!" nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #99

FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO WATCH BUT CAN'T WATCH LIVE... TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #106

Thank you! JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #110

Nice! Thanks. n/t JimDandy Jun 2013 #121

Why was Rachel dismissed? Done? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #111

Done. But might be called back. nt bunnies Jun 2013 #115

phone guy is done riverwalker Jun 2013 #113

Is West going to ask this pretty, well spoken, white woman what GRASS sounds like too? bunnies Jun 2013 #114

I'm pretty sure it sounds like "Heeeeyyyy......Doriiiiitoooos." WinkyDink Jun 2013 #117

lol. bunnies Jun 2013 #120

I felt so bad for her then. Sometimes i have trouble describing DevonRex Jun 2013 #126

Shit does that 9-1-1 operator sound like an idiot! Myrina Jun 2013 #118

the 911 call tape riverwalker Jun 2013 #123

and why would a shooter yell like a banshee riverwalker Jun 2013 #127

This is precisely my thinking!n/t Dalai_1 Jun 2013 #129

Spot on! n/t JimDandy Jun 2013 #137

There's only do much they can do riqster Jun 2013 #130

these dorks riverwalker Jun 2013 #132

I'm a little nervous where the prosecution is going with the Zimmerman question Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #134

And is the witness following the brother's Twitter account? Generic Other Jun 2013 #136

yes interesting riverwalker Jun 2013 #138

has no idea why riverwalker Jun 2013 #139

also friends with Z's pal on Facebook n/t riverwalker Jun 2013 #140

but he's her neighbor who also heard something right? Generic Other Jun 2013 #146

She has zero tweets Generic Other Jun 2013 #142

Who is this witness? No access to the trial feed right now. JimDandy Jun 2013 #145

She's one of the neighbor's Generic Other Jun 2013 #147

Lauer Jennifer I think is first name riverwalker Jun 2013 #158

Thanks. Why do you think she had a attitude? JimDandy Jun 2013 #160

The fools don't understand Twitter... targetpractice Jun 2013 #143

Yes! That's what I heard Generic Other Jun 2013 #150

I am so glad that the Prosecution did not ask the avebury Jun 2013 #154

Looks like Zimmerman's brother is Twitter stalking the witnesses. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #141

Indeed. targetpractice Jun 2013 #144

And Bob Dylan is P****D! WinkyDink Jun 2013 #148

My take is prosecutor was surprised too Generic Other Jun 2013 #151

Never ask a question you dont know answer to. ksoze Jun 2013 #155

He's also following Sabrina Fulton (Trayvon's mom)... targetpractice Jun 2013 #157

He is not helping things Generic Other Jun 2013 #171

It makes sense. JVS Jun 2013 #174

Almost sounds like witnesss intimidation. Incitatus Jun 2013 #178

This whole thing gets weirder and weirder. Initech Jun 2013 #153

New witness riverwalker Jun 2013 #159

WTF? pokerfan Jun 2013 #172

Selma Mora, a construction salesperson riverwalker Jun 2013 #161

She's good. And she bolsters the other girl's testimony. Trayvon's friend's, DevonRex Jun 2013 #180

Witness saw a person with a red and black patterned top on top of the scuffle!!! Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #162

She seems to be a pretty good avebury Jun 2013 #164

WOW! she saw Zimmerman straddeling Trayvon riverwalker Jun 2013 #165

She is doing really well on cross. I don't think that the avebury Jun 2013 #166

I believe Zimmerman already said he was on top AFTER the shot ksoze Jun 2013 #168

So glad there is a daily thread about this trial! MoonRiver Jun 2013 #169

the daily threads here are somewhat limited grok Jun 2013 #176

The prosecutor is being a dumbass about the twitter account. JVS Jun 2013 #170

TalkLeft: "Rachel Jeantel was a train wreck as a witness" Shrek Jun 2013 #177

They're totally wrong. If she were the only witness, I'd still believe DevonRex Jun 2013 #179

"Train wreck" would be a good way to describe her cpwm17 Jun 2013 #182

I don't read TalkLeft often, but from perusing the site stranger81 Jun 2013 #187

My heart goes out to this young lady..... BronxBoy Jun 2013 #181

YES!! MoonRiver Jun 2013 #184

Brilliant. Thank you for the post. nolabear Jun 2013 #186

Catching up with Jeantel testimony. I think the prior transcripts of her initial statements ecstatic Jun 2013 #190