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DainBramaged

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6. HFCS is a man-made product that did not even exist until the '60s

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Thu Jul 18, 2013, 06:17 AM

Jul 2013

That in and of itself should cause some to pause in their defense of HFCS.

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HFCS and YOU [View all] DainBramaged Jul 2013 OP

I'm lucky Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #1

I thought C6H12O6 was C6H12O6 dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #2

The sugar association thinks otherwise...... DainBramaged Jul 2013 #3

The link claims no such thing Major Nikon Jul 2013 #129

Except table sugar (from sugar cane and beet) is C12H22O11 Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #4

Sucrases secreted by the lining of the small intestine convert sucrose to glucose + fructose FarCenter Jul 2013 #25

and cooks and bakers know that replacing cane sugar with beet hedgehog Jul 2013 #45

I never found a difference between one form of crystallized sucrose Warpy Jul 2013 #136

I think it's a result of crystal size - beet sugar tends to be much finer - hedgehog Jul 2013 #154

blood glucose levels spike more dramatically BainsBane Jul 2013 #55

The reverse is true Major Nikon Jul 2013 #127

That's not what my doctor told me BainsBane Jul 2013 #131

The sugar in OJ contains almost exclusively fructose Major Nikon Jul 2013 #132

I take a general view that if it is closer to a natural state BainsBane Jul 2013 #134

Shit is perfectly natural and often organic Major Nikon Jul 2013 #137

No, fruit over sugar BainsBane Jul 2013 #138

But sugar dates back to 500 BC BainsBane Jul 2013 #139

Shit goes back even farther Major Nikon Jul 2013 #140

You're fixated on shit BainsBane Jul 2013 #142

Some of the best foods on earth derive much of their flavor from shit Major Nikon Jul 2013 #144

What? BainsBane Jul 2013 #145

How do you think fermentation works? Major Nikon Jul 2013 #146

It's not shit BainsBane Jul 2013 #147

HFCS, hydrogenated, and chervilant Jul 2013 #5

HFCS is a man-made product that did not even exist until the '60s DainBramaged Jul 2013 #6

so is penicillin. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #9

Do you eat penicillin? chervilant Jul 2013 #11

hfcs is 'man-made' in the same sense lemon meringue is. it's a food whose properties have been HiPointDem Jul 2013 #36

If you eat meat its likely you are eating all sorts of antibiotics. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #92

Well, yes you do if you eat bleu or Brie cheeses REP Jul 2013 #94

Vegan here chervilant Jul 2013 #105

I don't eat HFCS and think its crap. REP Jul 2013 #106

Have you read any of Diana Gabaldon's works? chervilant Jul 2013 #110

I'm not much of a romance fancier REP Jul 2013 #115

OIC chervilant Jul 2013 #153

penicillin DainBramaged Jul 2013 #15

recognizing the properties of the mold is not the same thing as creating the pharmaceutical. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #35

Do you think they manufacture it from pixie dust or live culture? DainBramaged Jul 2013 #37

you can also make it in your home kitchen. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #39

I the end, what is your point over this discussion? DainBramaged Jul 2013 #41

my point is that i am a participant at DU & can express myself on any topic, just as you can. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #51

The antibiotic drug penicillin is *indeed* a man-made substance in exactly the same sense that HiPointDem Jul 2013 #38

Pretty much, they do. REP Jul 2013 #97

pretty much not. it goes through about as many chemical steps as the production of hfcs HiPointDem Jul 2013 #126

Only to those who think science is scary Major Nikon Jul 2013 #119

bullshit. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #7

Really? chervilant Jul 2013 #10

"HFCS, hydrogenated, and partially hydrogenated oils (HOs) have no nutritional value" = HiPointDem Jul 2013 #40

They have caloric value. But as far as vitamins and minerals go, zilch. reformist2 Jul 2013 #100

Neither do most vegetable & seed oils. So? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #124

Speaking of bullshit... chervilant Jul 2013 #107

Perhaps the problem is that you don't understand what "nutritional value" means. Anything with HiPointDem Jul 2013 #122

Such a profound response... chervilant Jul 2013 #162

words have meanings, much as you would prefer to live in your little solipsistic world. they HiPointDem Jul 2013 #168

Why is such hyperbole necessary? Can't you just say you think there... Silent3 Jul 2013 #78

Hyperbole? chervilant Jul 2013 #108

Now you compound hyperbole with poor reading skills Silent3 Jul 2013 #109

Oh, dear; oh, dear! chervilant Jul 2013 #111

What you said is patently not true, therefore it is at best hyperbole. Silent3 Jul 2013 #113

From what cavernous, dark hole did you crawl chervilant Jul 2013 #164

"For you"? I have to account for what, that you're a different species than I realized? Silent3 Jul 2013 #170

"my body has to call upon its reserves of vitamins and minerals simply to PROCESS these 'foods'" HiPointDem Jul 2013 #171

I have more issues than HFCS. Agschmid Jul 2013 #8

Come out come out HFCs shills hankthecrank Jul 2013 #12

My body proves to me that it is not the same every time some slips by, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #13

Looks like adm not getting a good return on money to shills hankthecrank Jul 2013 #14

HFCS is made from corn kernels, which are indeed sweet mathematic Jul 2013 #16

White gold (Google is your friend, sugar is Centuries old) DainBramaged Jul 2013 #17

I am well aware that people have been eating sugar for a long time. mathematic Jul 2013 #18

most beets in USA are GMO lunasun Jul 2013 #27

what is your point, & why did you feel the need to put it in all in bold? do you really think HiPointDem Jul 2013 #42

Do you have a stake in defending HFCS or the industry? DainBramaged Jul 2013 #44

I have a stake in countering bullshit. No, I don't work in the food industry if that's what you're HiPointDem Jul 2013 #46

Then you have no leg to stand on when you call bullshit DainBramaged Jul 2013 #48

i've been posting evidence to the contrary, & higher level degree in nutrition says i have more HiPointDem Jul 2013 #52

& higher level degree in nutrition DainBramaged Jul 2013 #57

I didn't say it to impress you. Any sugar can also cause 'behavioral reactions similar to those HiPointDem Jul 2013 #59

(Someone's not getting their money's worth...) chervilant Jul 2013 #112

I doubt that the anonymous website "Prevent Disease" is a paying gig. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #120

Oh, my... chervilant Jul 2013 #163

"arrogant, presumptuous drivel" = indeed. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #167

Besides, most US sugar comes from sugar beets DainBramaged Jul 2013 #19

"Most" currently means "greater than half". mathematic Jul 2013 #20

Try as you might, I'm not taking the bait DainBramaged Jul 2013 #21

i'm proud of you! displacedtexan Jul 2013 #53

i'm pushing 60 & take no medications whatsoever. i have a normal weight and an advanced HiPointDem Jul 2013 #56

(sigh) better medications, it's that simple DainBramaged Jul 2013 #58

bullshit, on two counts: 1) i made no claim that hfcs reduced heart disease. 2) if you were HiPointDem Jul 2013 #64

Always remember, the HFCS be with you. His claim HFCS has contributed to lower heart disease DainBramaged Jul 2013 #61

your claim that i made that claim is one of the greatest examples of prevarication ever seen at HiPointDem Jul 2013 #68

K&r n/t hankthecrank Jul 2013 #22

Kick hankthecrank Jul 2013 #23

U.S. Losing Taste for Corn Sweetener as Dieters Shun Soda DainBramaged Jul 2013 #24

Feeding bees corn syrup may leave them vulnerable to colony collapse DainBramaged Jul 2013 #26

It is the lack of other nutrients that is the problem; honey contains mostly fructose and glucose. FarCenter Jul 2013 #28

Sorry there's a big difference between the two. Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #29

Karo is *not* high fructose corn syrup. It's ordinary corn syrup. High fructose corn syrup is HiPointDem Jul 2013 #49

Forgive me your right I will edit that out Arcanetrance Jul 2013 #54

no problem, i don't like karo either HiPointDem Jul 2013 #74

We switched to Agave nectar ...you would be surprised at how good this stuff is. L0oniX Jul 2013 #30

I have it at home too besides Stevia, and t's become very reasonable DainBramaged Jul 2013 #31

We even take Agave to resturants ...tried Stevia but it has an after taste. L0oniX Jul 2013 #33

what kind of chemical processes do you think are used to turn leaves into sweet powder? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #50

stevia has a lower glycemic load. Don't care about processing, myself. Not a paleo. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #60

It has a lower glycemic load like saccharin does -- because it has no caloric value. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #66

agave nectar = mostly fructose. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #67

Lowest glycemic value. Well they don't seem to run out of 10 yo wine and I doubt they will run out.. L0oniX Jul 2013 #71

it has lower glycemic value because of the percentage of inulin (mostly non-nutritive, i.e. can't HiPointDem Jul 2013 #73

Well I will keep using Agave ...and you are welcome to promote and use HFCS. L0oniX Jul 2013 #77

i don't 'promote' hfcs. i counter bullshit. you keep using your high-fructose sweetner. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #81

You counter bullshit? Well it's good to have goals and dreams. L0oniX Jul 2013 #86

bs like 'here, use this high-fructose sweetner so you can avoid that other high-fructose sweetner HiPointDem Jul 2013 #87

Come to think of it, two suppossed food scientists in two days giving us positive responses to HFCS? DainBramaged Jul 2013 #88

please link to where someone claimed to be a food scientist. why don't you respond to the HiPointDem Jul 2013 #89

New corporate shills being discovered everyday. Amazing ain't it. L0oniX Jul 2013 #90

lol. you don't know much about agave. small producers are being pushed out & they use lots HiPointDem Jul 2013 #91

It's been fun playing with them today, but they insult the DU as a whole when their rhetoric DainBramaged Jul 2013 #93

people may feel better not eating hfcs; that's great, more power to them. i personally feel HiPointDem Jul 2013 #157

Agave nectar is a highly processed sweetener MineralMan Jul 2013 #79

Hello DainBramaged Jul 2013 #95

Your endocrinologist... MineralMan Jul 2013 #104

But shanti Jul 2013 #166

For the most part I gave it up tabbycat31 Jul 2013 #32

New study out of Princeton Greybnk48 Jul 2013 #34

Might want to have a look at this for the rest of the story... Major Nikon Jul 2013 #121

HFCS + Palm Oil = the cheapest stuff on earth used to make us buy unhealthy foods displacedtexan Jul 2013 #43

I avoid HFCS like the plague. ananda Jul 2013 #47

HFCS may be bad, but your two opening paragraphs aren't so hot either. Silent3 Jul 2013 #62

I guess the opening statement is as far as you read... DainBramaged Jul 2013 #65

You obviously have no idea sugar is processed Major Nikon Jul 2013 #116

"Corporations are just as happy to market to our pseudoscientific fears" = yes. Cargill & Coca-Cola HiPointDem Jul 2013 #70

I avoid it more because of the taste than the potential harmful effects bigwillq Jul 2013 #63

HFCS tastes like the kind of shit you would use to add to a petri dish in biochem Taverner Jul 2013 #69

It is amazing what levels some will stoop to to defend a product that scientific evidence DainBramaged Jul 2013 #72

it is amazing what levels some will stoop to to defend their little hobbyhorses. scientific evidence HiPointDem Jul 2013 #75

The science does seem to be supporting the HFCS diabetes connection Taverner Jul 2013 #76

Many mny new drugs cause weight gain in Seniors (like myself) DainBramaged Jul 2013 #83

Portion size is a big factor too Taverner Jul 2013 #84

I was told in my youth I had a big portion size DainBramaged Jul 2013 #96

How does this happen? Do you end up feeling hungrier all the time? reformist2 Jul 2013 #101

No, metabolism slows down and doesn't process calories like I used to DainBramaged Jul 2013 #102

You still don't get it do you? Major Nikon Jul 2013 #117

You really need to stop, your stalking is getting obvious now DainBramaged Jul 2013 #149

"You obviously have a fixation that goes beyond simple discussions when disagreed with. " Major Nikon Jul 2013 #151

Where's the response for "I'd like to see more panic about the subject?" Orrex Jul 2013 #80

LOLOLOL DainBramaged Jul 2013 #82

+1 ^^^this^^^ LMFAO L0oniX Jul 2013 #165

sugar is sugar Kali Jul 2013 #85

Exactly Major Nikon Jul 2013 #118

I avoid it entirely, it tastes crappy and ruins the texture of baked goods. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #98

I'm not paranoid about it, but there are big differences in how different sugars are metabolized. reformist2 Jul 2013 #99

The same is true for sucrose Major Nikon Jul 2013 #123

never touch the stuff handmade34 Jul 2013 #103

I try to avoid sugars of all kind, Dorian Gray Jul 2013 #114

NYC's Bloomberg is an ass that wants to live forever that thinks making everyone else follow his gvstn Jul 2013 #125

trans fats are found in nature. so is fructose. your body knows how to process them. that HiPointDem Jul 2013 #128

Where are trans fats found in nature? gvstn Jul 2013 #155

meat & milk. fructose is widely in nature. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #156

HFCS probably isn't good for the body, however I am not a perfect being. I have flaws. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #130

Everything in moderation (including moderation) Major Nikon Jul 2013 #133

I avoid it these days Warpy Jul 2013 #135

"Earl Butz" Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #141

A few odd points I haven't heard often in this thread: defacto7 Jul 2013 #143

More calories + lower activity levels = more obesity Major Nikon Jul 2013 #148

140 to few. I guess the job of the HFCS defenders didn't go well DainBramaged Jul 2013 #150

"It's the purity crowd telling US what we should eat and what is garbage" Major Nikon Jul 2013 #152

omg. shilling for big food! HiPointDem Jul 2013 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author Major Nikon Jul 2013 #159

Perhaps Major Nikon Jul 2013 #160

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #161

The problem with HFCS isn't so much the actual chemical...it's the fact that it's in bloody Evoman Jul 2013 #169

I'd agree with you there. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #172

Sugar is very similar to addictive substances Major Nikon Jul 2013 #173