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In reply to the discussion: Anyone who thinks an adult telling about being molested as a child is a liar -- [View all]El_Johns
(1,805 posts)304. It wasn't the only one: there was a rash of these in the late 80s, early 90s.
Day-care sex-abuse hysteria was a panic that occurred primarily in the 1980s and early 1990s featuring claims against daycare providers of Satanic ritual abuse and several forms of child abuse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_care_sex_abuse_hysteria
The Allen/Farrow accusations were made in 1992.
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Anyone who thinks an adult telling about being molested as a child is a liar -- [View all]
IdaBriggs
Feb 2014
OP
Dylan is what's at issue. Allen has no history whatsoever of being involved with 7 year olds.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#327
Previn is one person, not a history. You are claiming Allen's relationship with Previn =
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#339
Nobody would put themselves through this type of ordeal just because they are bitter.
bravenak
Feb 2014
#130
that goes both ways. the trashing of mia by allen apologists appears to be ok
roguevalley
Feb 2014
#5
Oh, no, that never happens. Never never never. Those who think so are secret pedophiles.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#59
You don't care that Ida Briggs is putting you on ignore??? Ida BRIGGS, woman!!!
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#55
It wasn't the only one: there was a rash of these in the late 80s, early 90s.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#304
the recovered memory thing brings up a good point as do some of the other posts
loli phabay
Feb 2014
#34
yes I do I was trying to say that people aren't liars they believe what they believe
hollysmom
Feb 2014
#137
But in this case we have more. We have the prosecutor from when she was 7, saying that
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#38
Yes, the prosecutor was accused by Allen. But the State Bar ruled that he had NOT
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#67
Who was the employee? Also, you left out the medical examinations that showed no sign of abuse,
cui bono
Feb 2014
#101
Many children who are groped show no medical signs of the abuse, but it is still abuse.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#289
The child sex abuse hysteria of the 80s-90s probably does have something to do with the Allen-
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#321
I'm close to a young woman who went through this, and realize that it would take incredible bravery
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#40
There's a statute of limitations. So we will all just have to make our own judgments. n/t
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#39
No Statute of Limitations on Felony Sex Assault: Woody Allen Can Still Be Charged
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#68
Interesting. I doubt that it will happen though. Trying to construct a case 20 years later
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#75
According to at least one report, here was an employee that caught him with his face in Dylan's lap,
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#81
I'd be interested in reading about that. But the bottom line for me is Dylan's statement itself
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#86
Lawyers for Woody Allen said Monday that a former nanny who worked for Mia Farrow has testified she
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#90
The incident with his face in Dylan's lap was supposedly observed by an employee of a friend,
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#114
It was a nanny employed by Casey Pascal, not by Farrow. She was in Farrow's house taking care of
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#117
Casey Pascal being Farrow's childhood friend and Dylan's godmother. So what? You are very
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#307
In any case like this the people most likely to be witnesses do have connections to the family
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#308
I place no particular credibility in friends on either side. Here's what I place credibility in:
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#312
Most cases of molestation don't leave physical evidence. Don't you understand that?
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#314
I don't consider rubbing suntan lotion on a child's buttocks "abuse". I don't consider putting
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#332
It always comes down to accusing anyone who doesn't agree with you of being a pedophile,
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#335
Casey Pascal reported this to Farrow. An employee of Casey's -- not Farrow's -- who was visiting
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#116
Yes, & so would the testimony of the nanny who worked with the kids for 7 years who said
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#187
Molesters don't do this stuff in front of people. The fact that the long time nanny saw nothing
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#189
Yet supposedly the babysitter saw him -- during a visitation *after* the Soon-Yi incident,
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#194
Did you read the Vanity Fair articles? According to them, a therapist who was working
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#199
Yet Farrow had recently given Allen a glowing endorsement in adoption proceedings for Moses
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#200
It's true that therapy was the family hobby. But it is also true that the boy's therapist
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#244
I read the Vanity Fair articles. But they're irrelevant to the point I made, which was that despite
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#292
oh, "a brief greeting". Shocking stuff. "The issue" -- yes, what was "the issue" and why would
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#294
Allen made a formal complaint because the prosecutor said that he had had enough evidence
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#120
Connecticut state police brought in the Yale clinic, not Allen. The Yale clinic
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#301
That's splitting hairs. The psychologists who "interviewed" the girl were on Woody's payroll.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#303
Yale-New Haven relied on information from psychologists connected to Allen when writing its report.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#326
It was a six month investigation, and the fact that the HEAD of the clinic didn't interview Dylan
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#309
Where have you seen it written who DID interview her, besides the people connected with Woody?
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#311
The fact that the media printed a retraction is hard evidence that someone from the clinic did
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#315
No one with a medical degree interviewed her. The physician who wrote the report didn't.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#323
You claimed the Yale-New Haven team relied on interviews from Allen's personal docs. FALSE.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#325
That is not what I said. I said they were on his payroll, and that no medical doctor interviewed her
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#331
I never said anywhere that they were Allen's "personal docs." I said they were on his payroll,
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#336
No, you used the term "psychologists on Allen's payroll" instead of "personal docs," same thing.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#338
The reporter clearly formed an opinion after doing dozens of interviews and collecting
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#342
Believe the victim or someone desperate to have a relationship with a perpetrator.
IdaBriggs
Feb 2014
#157
Put me on that list because I sure as hell don't want to be on the other.
last1standing
Feb 2014
#77
+1. If the OP wants to have an adult conversation they shouldn't start with threats.
Dawgs
Feb 2014
#145
After seeing how you are NOT listening to others who MIGHT have an insight you lack on this
nadinbrzezinski
Feb 2014
#84
Do you have a link for that? From Moses Farrow himself, not some writer talking about him?
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#136
Then put on ignore everyone who believes in the basic principle of presumption of innocence
Silent3
Feb 2014
#92
Show me the New York law that makes that true/ edited to include info on NY law
BainsBane
Feb 2014
#109
Because you're restricting yourself to child abuse. That's not the only option.
jeff47
Feb 2014
#113
I'm not inclined to disbelieve her, or anyone else who says they were abused. My automatic sympathy
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#102
Rather than ignore anyone who doesn't believe any accusation you find offensive
Democat
Feb 2014
#118
It is incredibly easy to give children false memories that prevail into adulthood.
Kurska
Feb 2014
#129
Ah, the "Dylan is a gullible fool" defense, and her mom is a sick, sick woman.
IdaBriggs
Feb 2014
#151
"I can't speak to the merits of this specific case, " Go ahead and put me on ignore
Kurska
Feb 2014
#215
It is incredibly, incredibly difficult for a victim to disclose sexual abuse
LiberalEsto
Feb 2014
#152
I think it is entirely possible for an adult to lie about being molested as a child.
oldhippie
Feb 2014
#163
Except that none of the people you have on ignore jumped up and down and shouted Dylan
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#195
I don't think she's lying, anymore than my relative --a Wee Care kid, who still thinks he was abused
msanthrope
Feb 2014
#204
For as long as I can remember its always been acceptable for men to pursue children.
mstinamotorcity2
Feb 2014
#228
He was however living in the household with a lot more awareness than 5 year old Ronan.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#347
He can, however, remember how both parents behaved toward him and the other children.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#349
It may have some relevance to his (reported) claim that Mia brainwashed Dylan.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#352
His own psychiatrist Was not allowed to by law and I am sure you know that. But he did write a
classykaren
Feb 2014
#356
In matters such as these, it is best to allow the justice system to do its job
Maedhros
Feb 2014
#258
A lot of people are citing Moses, the family therapist, reconciling with Allen and
Squinch
Feb 2014
#262
What if we believe her AND support the current burden of proof in our courts?
joeglow3
Feb 2014
#329
The only reason why I find her credible is because he went after his stepdaughter...
cynatnite
Feb 2014
#341