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In reply to the discussion: The Dumpster Fire of Obama's Moral Authority [View all]Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)312. I meant keep the powder wet, meaning not screaming at the President....time for that later.
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But kneejerk dismissals of critical articles, posted clearly without having read them...
Marr
Aug 2014
#302
Nuremberg was different. Everyone wan't the trial. With Bush, Cheney et al there would be plenty
Maraya1969
Aug 2014
#351
of course it does. he hasn't prosecuted anyone for anything. Silence means agreement.
roguevalley
Aug 2014
#118
He called the torturers "patriots" and those who want prosecution of said torturers "sanctimonious"
cui bono
Aug 2014
#149
Well said. Some are apologizing for the President apologizing for torture. nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#185
So where in any of that did are these words you just attributed to him, "He called the torturers "
Maraya1969
Aug 2014
#355
Oh, sorry. I don't know how, but somehow I thought you were talking about him likening himself
cui bono
Aug 2014
#356
He said, "A lot" not "The torturers" And the quote about torture said we did a lot of things right
Maraya1969
Aug 2014
#358
Yes, that's exactly who he was talking about. That was the subject at hand. Torture.
cui bono
Aug 2014
#359
Give you a break? For defending the President who seems determined to give Dick Cheney the medal
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#184
Too afraid to not torture. Too afraid to prosecute. Fear seems a powerful motivator
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2014
#288
I like that. I hope you don't mind if I use something similar. With regard the sad sniping by those
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#310
Down with the Constitution and up with War Crimes? Is that what you intended to
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#122
Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld and all the rest didn't torture because they were scared
WHEN CRABS ROAR
Aug 2014
#208
If you're asking me to 'stop all this nonsense' you don't have to. I KNOW why Cheney/Bush/
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#266
Hey stonecutter, do mind me jumping in here to say I think LordGlenconner got a Hide
Cha
Aug 2014
#264
Obama also said the word "the"... pisses me off when he said "the" and even drags it out sometimes
uponit7771
Aug 2014
#2
Relative to the last time the "piece of shit" president said something someone didn't like i think
uponit7771
Aug 2014
#146
Hey...didn't Will Pitt just post an article of yours here? Are you returning
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#30
Awesome! So, did you agree with Will that the President is a piece of shit used car
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#50
That's a really nasty question for someone who might not be aware of the context.
Electric Monk
Aug 2014
#98
Oh...I read nothing Will Pitt writes. Not since he failed to address some serious
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#120
Oh, thanks for the permission, kind sir!!! Yeah....how about I continue to post
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#130
Dude...you are telling me to read for "comprehensive?" My gender is clearly part of my username
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#134
The second coming "off" James Joyce? I bet you didn't even mean to write something that
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#168
Welcome to DU. Don't worry about the perpetually bitter and aggrieved.
DisgustipatedinCA
Aug 2014
#140
Some are in DU to discuss issues, others to ridicule, alert, lock and hide. nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#269
I suggest that we put them all on ignore or form a progressive group free from trouble makers. nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#301
Yay! Autocorrect error! That means Obama is perfect and we can all go home! Yay! nt
Akira Watts
Aug 2014
#192
You are far more gracious and witty than your newly appointed and ardent defenders
Number23
Aug 2014
#240
Pretty funny. You don't read anything he writes, but you make sure to show up
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Aug 2014
#205
Now why would you bring that up again and again and again? Just trying to keep things stirred up
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#309
Why wouldn't I bring it up? Seriously....it's a proud and shining moment for the OP, isn't it? nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#317
No but it seems you are obsessed with attacking the OP author. It has nothing to do with this
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#319
No--I mean the OP's magnum opus. Don't be coy, rhett....it does not suit you. nt
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#324
So I got it wrong and you're proud of your ad hominem attack. Whatever. nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#325
How is referencing the OP's own writings an ad hominem attack? You remind me of
msanthrope
Aug 2014
#326
The only reason for you to bring up what the OP author said in a different OP
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#327
"Because clearly, the article involved picking a random selection of Obamas words and flying into a"
uponit7771
Aug 2014
#147
Unbelievable. You seem to think torture is just a quaint little thing we shouldn't bother
cui bono
Aug 2014
#151
I also think cute little bunny rabbit ears are too long... so.. snip snip :rolleyes:
uponit7771
Aug 2014
#157
what is worse than him defending the people who committed torture?
questionseverything
Aug 2014
#191
He also said the words 'we tortured'. The word WE 'chaps MY hide' because WE
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#303
Succinctly stated, Rufus. Obama is a brand, as Chris Hedges has been at pains to make everyone aware
truth2power
Aug 2014
#125
I like your final thoughts the best, the last graf at the link. Yes, the man is hollow.
Demit
Aug 2014
#18
These words spoken by the president made my blood run cold. I would never vote for him again.
northoftheborder
Aug 2014
#35
It is just his personal manner of speech, William. You should know better.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#27
I understand. But tone is important, you begin with a character assassination, and then pull back on
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#36
He did speak for himself and he called the torturers "patriots" and those that want prosecution
cui bono
Aug 2014
#161
No, he started with mild criticism of 'folks', and built through "people were afraid"
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2014
#87
Tone is totally important. And I was thinking you missed the boat. Pres Obama's tone was completely
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#321
I did not take his speech as an apology, more a resignation that there is nothing he can do without
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#323
If it was only resignation, he could have condemned it and indicated his resignation. He did
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#328
You believe it was staged to create fear in Iraqis and the world..not to mess with the likes of us?
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#71
Given many of the released photos, I'd say that "sadistic pleasure" had a lot to do with it.
gtar100
Aug 2014
#68
I was not referring to Abu Ghraib, I was talking about the fear in America....I agree with your post
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#73
You said the truth right there. You look at those photos. There is no fear on their faces, those in
Autumn
Aug 2014
#67
I was talking about the fear of the general public, as I thought my post clearly said. I agree that
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#76
I think we need to keep the powder wet until after the elections this year.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#105
I meant keep the powder wet, meaning not screaming at the President....time for that later.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#312
So if he had said "We tortured some guys & gals" that would've been unremarkable too?
Demit
Aug 2014
#55
He was explicitly absolving those in higher seats of power of any responsibility
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2014
#90
Obama clearly says that HE sees them as patriots. You're giving him a pass on this...
truth2power
Aug 2014
#318
The reason he's not prosecuting those "patriots" is because a lot of Dems signed off on torture.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2014
#82
Good one! Didn't Rham Emanual use both of those terms to describe liberals? Thought so. n/t
truth2power
Aug 2014
#333
TAKE ACTION: Here's what whistleblowers want the public to do/Hint: it isn't piling on the president
proverbialwisdom
Aug 2014
#96
Hannah Arendt called it 'banal' back when matters like torture and crimes against humanity actually
VanGoghRocks
Aug 2014
#362
Did I hear correctly that you are good friends with Glenn Beck? I'm just asking.... n/t
xocet
Aug 2014
#188
He looked and sounded like a bored restaurant manager who already has his orders from the owner.
pa28
Aug 2014
#123
Sometimes, DUers play as though torture began and ended during the Bush administration, and
merrily
Aug 2014
#163
You are obviously doing it wrong. Post in ATA and the admins can teach you how to use ignore.
Autumn
Aug 2014
#211
Obama's soft peddling on torture reveals who Obama is. No more campaign lies to get in his way,
blkmusclmachine
Aug 2014
#194
Mr. Obama's torturing us with his logic defending torture. There isn't enough alcohol
whereisjustice
Aug 2014
#237
They tortured children in front of their parents to get their parents to talk.
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2014
#250
Prosecuting torturers is off the table. Or, to put it the proper way, prosecuting the 1% is off the
WinkyDink
Aug 2014
#260
Do be sanctimonious. Look down your noses with a mix of disdain and pity at those so lacking in
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2014
#286