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oberliner

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Fri Jan 16, 2015, 08:22 AM Jan 2015

DU relentlessly mocks those whose ideas we disagree with [View all]

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Republicans and conservatives are routinely called names. Their most cherished leaders and icons are lampooned both in word and in image. There have been regular lists of top ten conservative idiots among many other forms of mockery and derision towards their ideology - and by extension, towards those who follow it. Very little care is given to avoiding hurting their feelings or being respectful to their ideology.

We recognize that not every Republican is as extreme as others. We recognize that some Republicans are perfectly nice people, some are members of our families or friends whom we love. But this does not prevent us from going at the ideology with no holds barred.

We regularly mock conservative Christians for not believing in evolution, for espousing Creationism (and building museums to same). We make fun of orthodox Jews who refuse to sit on an airplane next to a woman. We mock the ideology of Scientology and poke fun at those who practice this belief.

When we hear something that we think is BS - we call BS on it.

No one feels any compunction to pull back in their criticism against those who believe homosexuality is a sin and that gay marriage is an abomination. This is despite the fact that those who feel this way do so because they believe that to be an important component of their religious faith.

There are ideologies and belief systems that we criticize here relentlessly - with name-calling and worse. Just because an ideology calls itself a "religion" does not make it immune from such critical thinking.

We don't seem to care if it will hurt someone's feelings if we say that Ronald Reagan was a dick or that Dick Cheney is Satan. It doesn't matter than millions of people have very positive feelings about Ronald Reagan - and that he is no longer living. We are not going to hold back on calling him those names. Is there anyone who is afraid of being too provocative towards Republicans?

If someone wants to worship Ronald Reagan in the privacy of their own home, then good for them. But if they want to tell you that you can't say anything bad about Ronald Reagan - does that make you less likely to speak ill of Reagan? Are you provoking them unnecessarily if you do?

It just seems strange to me to read posts here that seem to be suggesting this about other ideologies.

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It's not nice to point out their hypocrisy to the hypocrites Lurks Often Jan 2015 #1
...^ that 840high Jan 2015 #127
lol I just posted damn near the same thing. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #2
You've made some very good points in response to those threads oberliner Jan 2015 #64
Same to you. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #82
It is never an easy line to draw between free speech and criticism. Never. randome Jan 2015 #3
Yes. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #6
So a NAMBLA magazine in grocery store aisles is okay? randome Jan 2015 #14
IIRC, Pedophilia is a crime. riqster Jan 2015 #23
Sure it's a crime. But is talking about it a crime? No, it's not. randome Jan 2015 #29
Grocery stores are not required to stock particular magazines oberliner Jan 2015 #75
I agree nt WhiteTara Jan 2015 #88
Of course not. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #87
NAMBLA bills itself as a political and civil rights organization. randome Jan 2015 #123
An organization dedicated to pedophilia... NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #124
From what I can find, there's very little of the organization left. randome Jan 2015 #126
You mean the North American Marlon Brando smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #167
Legally, I think it should be okay, but I wouldn't blame customers for being very upset. ZombieHorde Jan 2015 #151
Yes and yes melman Jan 2015 #7
It's not an easy line to draw. randome Jan 2015 #13
"Absolutely!" and "Damned Straight!!" eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #8
Yes. distantearlywarning Jan 2015 #9
I didn't choose the right examples, that's for sure. randome Jan 2015 #22
..."a child being eaten..." Tanuki Jan 2015 #12
A cartoon showing a child being eaten muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #19
I suppose I was thinking of something more gory. randome Jan 2015 #21
that cartoon is pretty hardcore. modeled after goya (saturn eating his children) only uglier. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #169
Have you seen 'The Walking Dead'? Do you think that should be banned? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #25
I'm not out to ban anything, just pointing out we already have restrictions on absolute speech. randome Jan 2015 #31
And here I am again wondering why you refuse to comment on the denigrating language religion Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #56
Hateful speech is even more difficult to restrict, I think. randome Jan 2015 #110
But it seems easy for you to propose limits to artistic or political expression that are 'offensive' Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #117
It's entirely possible that I don't see the issue clearly without walking in your shoes. randome Jan 2015 #118
Making fun of other ideologies oberliner Jan 2015 #59
We are free (or more free). But France is not. randome Jan 2015 #121
I don't know that we are oberliner Jan 2015 #135
That isn't necessarily an issue of free speech, though. randome Jan 2015 #141
Good point oberliner Jan 2015 #146
The same thing applies for why movies and TV rarely discuss abortion. randome Jan 2015 #156
Sad that these terrorists have so much power oberliner Jan 2015 #158
Yes The Green Manalishi Jan 2015 #63
Need to add one to your list. jeff47 Jan 2015 #114
Disagree vehemently randys1 Jan 2015 #129
To Me RobinA Jan 2015 #139
There is something to be said for peer pressure and societal disapproval. randome Jan 2015 #142
But...but...Olive Garden! TheManInTheMac Jan 2015 #4
And the pit bulls who breastfeed there. riqster Jan 2015 #27
I am a fan of their breadsticks oberliner Jan 2015 #60
I don't think the mockery is necessarily a good thing Enrique Jan 2015 #5
How is the Saudi Kingdom 'powerless'? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #28
I have zero problem with mocking the theocrats Enrique Jan 2015 #148
The poking is of Islam... MellowDem Jan 2015 #144
K&R DeSwiss Jan 2015 #10
+1 Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Jan 2015 #37
Perhaps part of that is the nature TBF Jan 2015 #11
Republicans Are Not "Open" To Anything StevePaulson Jan 2015 #43
Well it doesn't make a lick of sense to mock those you agree with! rock Jan 2015 #15
This is in response to certain posts I've read recently oberliner Jan 2015 #34
If you offend me by telling me a fairy story rock Jan 2015 #66
Agreed oberliner Jan 2015 #67
Well done! rock Jan 2015 #84
Tough The Green Manalishi Jan 2015 #74
What do you think of the publication of an obscene cartoon depicted Mohammed? oberliner Jan 2015 #76
People find it tough to make a logical argument treestar Jan 2015 #89
Yes, it does . . . hatrack Jan 2015 #16
Pedantic Nonsense ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #17
Indeed! Political Correctness redux Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #26
Not sure how you mean that oberliner Jan 2015 #90
You're kidding, right? gregcrawford Jan 2015 #18
I was responding to some posts I've read recently oberliner Jan 2015 #36
For Conservatives StevePaulson Jan 2015 #47
Perfect! freebrew Jan 2015 #49
Should religious philosophies be open to the same mockery? oberliner Jan 2015 #92
The hypocrisy is astounding. joshcryer Jan 2015 #20
"other ideologies" StevePaulson Jan 2015 #30
"Republicans are a disease" oberliner Jan 2015 #42
I Would Be Absolutely Comfortable StevePaulson Jan 2015 #53
You have become that which you profess to hate. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #83
Nope StevePaulson Jan 2015 #101
You imagine yourself to be infallible. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #138
Wow, you need some wax for that cross? Rex Jan 2015 #32
Who was hurt by seeing the Charlie Hebdo cartoons? oberliner Jan 2015 #38
That's not what the title of your thread says. Rex Jan 2015 #40
Hopefully you were able to read beyond the title oberliner Jan 2015 #44
Sorry then I think we both agree and I didn't get your point at all. Rex Jan 2015 #48
I may not have done enough to make it clear oberliner Jan 2015 #55
I am too. I really don't understand how people can be for free speech Rex Jan 2015 #65
Well put oberliner Jan 2015 #68
"Religion" Is Mostly Evil StevePaulson Jan 2015 #58
I have a wide scope when it comes to ridicule. Religion is just one of them. Rex Jan 2015 #70
Those seeing everything as "good" or "evil" whathehell Jan 2015 #125
I Am Morally Superior StevePaulson Jan 2015 #80
I dont even know where to start with those comments in the OP randys1 Jan 2015 #133
I must be dense - does this mean we are not supposed to mock rurallib Jan 2015 #33
This came in response to posts I've read arguing that we shouldn't mock religions oberliner Jan 2015 #39
Well I am still confused which is what talk about religion usually does to me rurallib Jan 2015 #51
That is probably my fault for being vague oberliner Jan 2015 #57
Me too. Confused. SOS... tblue Jan 2015 #104
Many of the same posters wanting to protect religion did the same for Rick Warren and other Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #35
Great points oberliner Jan 2015 #93
It may come down to posting links to those who denigrated LGBT people for objecting to insults Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #119
The lack of self-awareness would be hilarious if it weren't so galling Prism Jan 2015 #41
This is one of the more insightful posts on this topic I have read distantearlywarning Jan 2015 #61
Yep Prism Jan 2015 #78
Agreed oberliner Jan 2015 #94
There are a couple of things in your analogy with which I'd take issue. whathehell Jan 2015 #45
Thanks for sharing that oberliner Jan 2015 #52
Reagan Was A Monster StevePaulson Jan 2015 #72
Every word you posted here is absolute fact. randys1 Jan 2015 #134
"Religion is a personal thing if someone keeps it personal" whathehell Jan 2015 #81
Agreed oberliner Jan 2015 #86
In terms of people who claim a faith but reject the doctrines in their own lives, that is not a good Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #54
They don't just reject it in "their own lives". They reject it for others as well. whathehell Jan 2015 #69
Gee, even Francis openly supports the 'March For Life' and the RCC is one of the leading anti gay Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #85
Does Orthodox Judaism, Evangelical Christianity or Islam support gay rights? whathehell Jan 2015 #96
I point out the hypocrisy in all of those faiths. Evangelicals in particular. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #102
"I want rights equal to your own"...You mean mine as a female, LOL? whathehell Jan 2015 #113
Why on Earth would you accsue me of 'hating you' when all I am doing is speaking up for my own Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #116
OMG, okay, so you don't hate me, that's good, whathehell Jan 2015 #120
Wow. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #131
Wow. whathehell Jan 2015 #140
OR, those who do not support everything about their church, synagogue or temple, could be working sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #161
Mockery should be saved for Republicans IMO treestar Jan 2015 #46
The opposite in not allowed you say? Prove it. Rex Jan 2015 #50
This is a problem, the trashing of a large section of the DNC, the Third Way runs as Democrats, work Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #62
And so will liberals that continuously get trashed by centrists. Rex Jan 2015 #77
Apparently you don't know, I am not libertarian, why are you doing this? Are you proud of the Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #99
Why did you purposely ignore my post and just type whatever you wanted to? Rex Jan 2015 #100
Do you know what you posted? Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #111
Why are you lying about the Third Way not being a libertarian think tank? Just out and out dishonest Rex Jan 2015 #160
I do know what I am talking about ergo why are you lying. I say you sound like a libertarian. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #162
I've never seen the Third Way "merely discussed." treestar Jan 2015 #91
SO then you will quit with the firebagger stuff? Yeah didn't think so. Rex Jan 2015 #105
I don't use it at all myself treestar Jan 2015 #106
Nonsense, show me one post that was hidden for using firebagger etc.. Rex Jan 2015 #107
That's a very self serving attack on DU. I could if you'd like link to posts by you that take Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #79
What about right-wing religious ideologies? oberliner Jan 2015 #95
Yes. I'm usually ready to laugh treestar Jan 2015 #109
As we draw closer to world environmental collapse randr Jan 2015 #71
yep and there is a correlation Duppers Jan 2015 #128
Our survival may depend on removing them from the gene pool randr Jan 2015 #132
This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Jan 2015 #150
Demonizing the other guy is a built in response pscot Jan 2015 #73
When is it disagreement, and when is it propaganda? Shamash Jan 2015 #97
"Republicans and conservatives are routinely called names." Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #98
Being an underclass in Western society ought not to make your ideology immune to criticism oberliner Jan 2015 #137
"No one is saying no one has a right to make fun of anything they want" Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #149
"What's being asked is what is being served by making fun of cultures ...." oberliner Jan 2015 #152
Is that true of the culture of France? Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #166
To hell with their feelings! MynameisBlarney Jan 2015 #103
There's a big difference between respecting someone's beliefs and ... vlyons Jan 2015 #108
This type of response is what fuels Republicans in their delusions of superiority. gordianot Jan 2015 #112
I don't have the time to be relentless Demonaut Jan 2015 #115
So when "family values experts" like Mike Huckabee display breathtaking ignorance on the subject... Initech Jan 2015 #122
I don't think that's the point of the OP PersonNumber503602 Jan 2015 #153
big k & r Duppers Jan 2015 #130
This is true but, I don't think we are presenting our Best Selves when do this. We do it from a Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #136
You've been listening to too much Moody Blues. randome Jan 2015 #143
lol ... guilty as charged. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #145
You make an excellent point... MellowDem Jan 2015 #147
Thanks oberliner Jan 2015 #157
agreed Skittles Jan 2015 #168
Criticizing and mockery are two different things and one of them sometimes can have sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #154
"But mocking ordinary people who are not public figures, simply doesn't achieve anything. " oberliner Jan 2015 #155
Did it change his mind? That would be the test of whether all the mockery worked. Unless we are sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #159
The question should be, "did it change OTHER people's minds?" progressoid Jan 2015 #165
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2015 #163
Some Democrats support torture and some Republicans don't oberliner Jan 2015 #164
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