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Sat Dec 3, 2016, 10:04 PM Dec 2016

Here's the thing about our party eating their hearts out about not appealing to the working-class [View all]

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from Phillip Bump at WaPo:

In nearly every swing state, voters preferred Hillary Clinton on the economy

Exit polls show Hillary Clinton winning a majority of the vote from people who told pollsters that the economy was the most important issue facing the country. What's more, in each state, a majority of voters said that was the case.

In fact, if we extend that out to every state for which we have exit polling, in 22 of those 27 states a majority of people said that the economy was the most important issue. And in 20 of those states, voters who said so preferred Hillary Clinton. In 17, in fact, a majority of those voters backed Clinton.

How can that be? How can she win a majority of the majority and still lose? Because she lost with other groups worse.

The exit poll questionnaire gave voters a choice between four options for the most important issue. Clinton was generally preferred by those who said foreign policy was the most important issue, too, but Trump was preferred by those who saw immigration or terrorism as most important. The key is the margins. On average, about 13 percent of people in the 27 states said foreign policy was most important and they preferred Clinton by an average of 30 points. On average, voters who said the economy was most important preferred Clinton by 7.3. But on terrorism, rated most important by a fifth of voters, on average, Trump led by an average of 21.8 points. On immigration (most important to an average of 12.2 percent of respondents)? A huge 42.1 percentage point lead for Trump.

Trump's narrow wins in those three key states mean that any number of factors could have been the determining one. But across the country, the story told by the exit polls seems clear: Trump didn't win because people were worried about the economy. He won thanks to people who were worried about the subjects of immigration and terrorism that he started hammering on from the very first day of his campaign.


read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/02/in-nearly-every-swing-state-voters-preferred-hillary-clinton-on-the-economy/?utm_term=.a9702b3be4ff

...in some ways the economy did play a big part in the loss, but not in any credible way. Trump was able to convince (or identify with) enough non-Latino whites that their economic distress was due to immigration or what they perceive as black privilege, if only in their insecure minds.
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So, people with irrational, ignorant fear of the 'other' pangaia Dec 2016 #1
right bigtree Dec 2016 #2
I really don't know what the answer is at this point. pangaia Dec 2016 #4
Not really Bear Creek Dec 2016 #3
Exit polls portlander23 Dec 2016 #5
'Barack Obama's result' bigtree Dec 2016 #7
Yes Obama turned out more black voters and Trump tapped into racism portlander23 Dec 2016 #8
Barack Obama was a unique phenom in politics bigtree Dec 2016 #9
Sure portlander23 Dec 2016 #10
well bigtree Dec 2016 #13
Again, the exit polls portlander23 Dec 2016 #14
I don't think that's true bigtree Dec 2016 #15
The Numbers: How Hillary Clinton Lost portlander23 Dec 2016 #17
you're back to making broad assumptions from overall turnout bigtree Dec 2016 #19
Nope portlander23 Dec 2016 #20
it's just not suprising to me at all that Hillary was less popular than Barack Obama bigtree Dec 2016 #21
Agree. Also, 1) at the current count per Cookpolitical.com, she has almost as many votes as Obama spooky3 Dec 2016 #22
No one is denying misogyny or racism portlander23 Dec 2016 #24
If you look at other threads posted here, you will see substantial evidence that the economic issues spooky3 Dec 2016 #26
Sure portlander23 Dec 2016 #30
the problem I have with restricting discussion of postmortem bigtree Dec 2016 #29
We don't need to make assumptions, we have the exit polls portlander23 Dec 2016 #23
Exit polls as based on self-reports. What you should be relying upon is the actual votes. No one spooky3 Dec 2016 #27
Wha? portlander23 Dec 2016 #31
using old data and changing the goalposts -- not a winning argument. spooky3 Dec 2016 #28
These are 2016 exit polls. portlander23 Dec 2016 #32
This article, written Nov. 9, right out of the gate gets a critical assumption WRONG. spooky3 Dec 2016 #25
The trends in the exit polls aren't going to change portlander23 Dec 2016 #34
so right!!! where's the class analysis? MadLinguist Dec 2016 #33
Right, The Deplorables Went For Trump In A Big Way DallasNE Dec 2016 #6
Yes, thank you! raging moderate Dec 2016 #16
The term 'working class' is very ironic being Trump won in areas with higher unemployment RAFisher Dec 2016 #18
Trump won because of bigotry and ignorant, mean fear and resentment. yardwork Dec 2016 #11
yes. they are racists. DesertFlower Dec 2016 #12
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