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In reply to the discussion: The "extreme left" didn't give us Trump. The path to hell was paved by [View all]Squinch
(51,209 posts)480. Show me anywhere where ANY of "these same folks" have EVER shown ANY tendency to support cuts to
SS and Medicare.
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The OP is Wrong.. Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton Gave us trump
Cha
Mar 2017
#111
I stand by the article.. "Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton "
Cha
Mar 2017
#119
And here is another level truly salient in the 2016 election results -- "Nobody won..."
Samantha
Mar 2017
#193
You are missing the fact that both Stein and Johnson votes increase exponentially since 2008/2012.
boston bean
Mar 2017
#244
Well lets see, in Michigan Hillary lost by .3%. Stein received 1.1% of the vote
still_one
Mar 2017
#139
"Noam Chomsky made that very clear that those "Progressives who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton
Cha
Mar 2017
#152
Of course the responsibility with what we will be going through the next 4 years lies
still_one
Mar 2017
#314
I don't disagree - the elephant in the room is that a hostile foreign power
PatrickforO
Mar 2017
#329
As I said those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary by either voting third
still_one
Mar 2017
#187
I understand your point. You may not be aware, but we lost a good number of folks here who said
still_one
Mar 2017
#246
I posting the article in response to the first sentence of the OP.. there are other
Cha
Mar 2017
#163
How curious that you're beating up the female candidate, when Gary Johnson (L)...
SMC22307
Mar 2017
#282
It does seem lately that there is an effort to shut down (or shout out) progressives in here.
LiberalLovinLug
Mar 2017
#315
The "angry, bitter minority" had vastly different positions at one time. VASTLY.
SMC22307
Mar 2017
#323
Show me anywhere where ANY of "these same folks" have EVER shown ANY tendency to support cuts to
Squinch
Mar 2017
#480
You call exposing "beating up".. "How Jill Stein and Donald Trump became allies of Vladimir Putin"
Cha
Mar 2017
#347
Your list in your post "It is not a left/moderate/right "divide." isn't complete...
George II
Mar 2017
#455
I stand with Democrats even when they are idiots because I KNOW they are capable of better.
pat_k
Mar 2017
#463
Bashing the crap out of them for things that happened more than a decade and a half ago...
George II
Mar 2017
#464
Naw you keep thinking about past fevers from long ago and keep misconstruing my point..
JHan
Mar 2017
#158
Here is a thread I recently started about Iran-Contra and its relation to what is happening today.
StevieM
Mar 2017
#186
And secondly, your accusations that Democrats have not made the moral case for issues...
JHan
Mar 2017
#200
if you want to whip the democratic party over some shit over 3 decades ago here.. hell..
JHan
Mar 2017
#145
Newsflash: It *ain't* all about you... things are CRITICAL right now for all ages.
SMC22307
Mar 2017
#148
You two are both blind to why trying to fight Trump with Democratic politicians
ProfessorPlum
Mar 2017
#270
Funny how the folks with the least wins think they have all the answers on winning
bravenak
Mar 2017
#271
Funny how the folks that keep losing...House,....Senate.....SCOTUS......State governorships...
LiberalLovinLug
Mar 2017
#289
Excellent, JH.. and Just to be Clear about the "extreme left".. "not" giving us trump as the OP ..
Cha
Mar 2017
#97
The point is to get more of us to run locally to get in. Not forcing ones already in to vote no.
haele
Mar 2017
#325
My only point is that absent clarity and sufficient consensus on basic principles, there...
pat_k
Mar 2017
#486
Me too. I'm at the point of simply ignoring them and not giving them traction anymore
bravenak
Mar 2017
#86
you could say the same for people who want to spend their energy taking it to the "far left." Which
JCanete
Mar 2017
#214
I wouldn't say it. We are fighting republicans constantly while they simply fight us
bravenak
Mar 2017
#291
that isn't true of this poster, and he's listed that over and over. It isn't true that nobody is
JCanete
Mar 2017
#298
All you have are insults.."The "extreme left" didn't give us Trump" stein owns a Chunk of it..
Cha
Mar 2017
#60
I want to hear ideas from people who know how to win and know who the enemy is.
bravenak
Mar 2017
#55
And how has kicking Dems in the ass been a winner? It hasn't. The far left as not racked up
bravenak
Mar 2017
#100
Maybe I am just old enough to remember when Democrats didn't buy into Reaganomics.
Gore1FL
Mar 2017
#107
Takeoff on that old Broadway hit: "A funny thing happened on the way to Democratic Underground".
George II
Mar 2017
#33
If you dont know... That's too bad, cause I don't have time to repeat myself all day.
bravenak
Mar 2017
#269
I've commented several times, only once here, about my disappointment that single
notdarkyet
Mar 2017
#48
The public option was killed because of Joe Lieberman, that was his price for his vote
betsuni
Mar 2017
#120
True. And if we don't make the case -- loud and proud -- we will never generate the political will.
pat_k
Mar 2017
#512
Agree. An example of the contrast is Inslee and WA delegation stand against travel ban.
suffragette
Mar 2017
#7
You will not absolve jill stein's LIES.. she owns a chunk of trump and those who got suckered..
Cha
Mar 2017
#16
So someone didn't get their pony so they figure screw everyone else?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Mar 2017
#47
The extreme left that voted for Bush in Florida in 2000? The extreme left that picked Reagan?
Rex
Mar 2017
#50
Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton.. there goes your premise..
Cha
Mar 2017
#101
Oh comey was at fault too but the LIES stein told and in Swing States Cost us the election..
Cha
Mar 2017
#339
You are correct, of course. Too many here don't remember when the Democrats weren't cowards
Gore1FL
Mar 2017
#115
Also, as much as I love Obama, I also criticize him for not calling out the Republicans enough
Akamai
Mar 2017
#122
The push to convince us we can only be center right to alt-right is well underway. It's
brewens
Mar 2017
#131
LOLOLOL, So White people supported Trump because REagan,Bush etc wasn't impeached , indicted Etc ?
JI7
Mar 2017
#153
I don't know whether to laugh or cry, but note the absolution this gives to racist whites. nt
msanthrope
Mar 2017
#419
I understand where youre coming from. But since we cant go back, we must go forward and keep this
caroldansen
Mar 2017
#154
I don't think anyone in particular gave us The Con. For DECADES I've been told we should elect
napi21
Mar 2017
#156
Yep, and the excuse from the OP and those that agree with them for not opposing this is that those
stevenleser
Mar 2017
#436
Albeit late but thanks for your response. In hindsight, trump promised people things he
akbacchus_BC
Mar 2017
#378
Your phrase "self-entitled ourgeoisie" to describe the "left" who voted against Hillary
delisen
Mar 2017
#239
lol. they do and white men mostly go for the bigots. thats why they still approve of trump
JI7
Mar 2017
#319
yes, they agree with hating and attacks on minorities. that's what matters to them . Trump is strong
JI7
Mar 2017
#369
right. And your thesis is that racism is more enticing than strength/dominance behavior
ProfessorPlum
Mar 2017
#441
I'm going to explain this to you one more time, slowly, just in case we can have a meeting
ProfessorPlum
Mar 2017
#454
"Strength is truth, spoken with conviction, framed in a moral matrix, and backed up by action"
pat_k
Mar 2017
#460
Yeah, um, no. The extreme left gave us Jill Stein. It also gives us calls 2 primary current Dems
msanthrope
Mar 2017
#236
The DLC hasn't been in existence for more than six years. How could they have driven people away...
George II
Mar 2017
#257
A lot of people don't want to admit that the dems had any responsibility in this clusterfuck.
CrispyQ
Mar 2017
#255
Understood. I actually signed up as a Democrat because or Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren.
iscooterliberally
Mar 2017
#437
"You and others had repeatedly argued that the left didn't affect the election results in any way."
pat_k
Mar 2017
#384
A request for a tally of votes lost the party over three decades is NOT "a simple question."
pat_k
Mar 2017
#407
I've never made that claim either, and I've had a few recent conversations with you on this topic.
JCanete
Mar 2017
#447
You don't have to be interested. It's still here if other people are. Personally, I find it
JCanete
Mar 2017
#452
that is going to be very hard to do. It just takes continuing to be patient i think, and putting in
JCanete
Mar 2017
#501
I want to thank them too, for proving your assertions wrong so all can see. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2017
#534
if stein voters weren't extreme left...then who is?...every vote for her was a vote for trump
beachbum bob
Mar 2017
#427
Nope, wishing doesn't make it so. There is no evidence for what you write. You just want it to be
stevenleser
Mar 2017
#435
I saw it. Just more wishing to make it so. All unproven wild assertions. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2017
#532
Strong, well-conceived OP. I'd toss in also the bandwidth and high ground our leadership loses
JudyM
Mar 2017
#506
Yes they did...they are spoilers who refuse to face reality and consider winning strategies...they
Demsrule86
Mar 2017
#513