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MineralMan

(146,359 posts)
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 10:56 AM Aug 2017

Personally, I find the regular, intense defense on DU of third-rate pundits, [View all]

who are really only known to the online community, to be rather odd. Beginning with Twitter stars like Louise Mensch and Claude Taylor and extending to people like Thom Hartmann, who was formerly a DUer, any questioning of these minor players brings a wave of negativism against those questioning them immediately.

I find that odd, really. None of those erstwhile pundits or, as some call them, "citizen journalists," really have any credibility beyond the Internet. They operate from free accounts online, and their names never appear in any other sort of media. They may tweet, or operate a random blog that they hope will generate revenue from advertising or outright donations. They have "sources," but never name them or even supply any legitimate corroboration, nor do they follow up when they get things wrong.

And yet, their musings, predictions and "breaking news" are posted on DU the moment they appear, whether anything such sources have said has been confirmed or not. Then, when someone on DU posts skeptically about the veracity of what has been reported by these unknown "heroes," attacks rain down on the skeptic as if from a supercell thunderstorm.

The illogic of instant belief in such unknown and unschooled reporters is astounding. If they say something that some hope is true, nothing else matters. If critical thinking should ever be applied, it should be applied to the utterings of these would-be political geniuses. It is folly to accept what they say simply because we wish what they say to be true.

We can do better. We should do better.

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K&R murielm99 Aug 2017 #1
Yes. There are things that need to be done around here, too. MineralMan Aug 2017 #2
Thank you HopeAgain Aug 2017 #3
Well, you know yourself, just as I know myself. MineralMan Aug 2017 #4
And to prove your point billh58 Aug 2017 #60
Well, that's to be expected. MineralMan Aug 2017 #64
It's just the nature of the internet marylandblue Aug 2017 #5
Before the Internet, people used to take a soapbox and MineralMan Aug 2017 #6
Yes, I agree, but people like Mensch take advantage of people marylandblue Aug 2017 #25
Lol.."Third rate pundits"? whathehell Aug 2017 #7
How about that? MineralMan Aug 2017 #9
Sorry, but if you asked 100 people if they listen to Progressive Talk Radio whathehell Aug 2017 #12
I am not your "bro." MineralMan Aug 2017 #17
Lol...Is that the best you got? whathehell Aug 2017 #26
Sorry. Not playing. MineralMan Aug 2017 #31
Lol whathehell Aug 2017 #51
You got your ass handed to you. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #77
Lol..In your DREAMS!...Please tell us all HOW whathehell Aug 2017 #91
Because your little dipshit dishonest attempt to pretend Putin Today is a "progressive" outlet emulatorloo Aug 2017 #102
Lol! Please show me where I said ANYTHING about RT! whathehell Aug 2017 #108
LOL no. You're as transparent as hell and I'm not going down some 'gotcha' rabbit hole with you. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #110
Lol..'Transparent" my ass...You falsely accused me of defending RT whathehell Aug 2017 #118
Isnt it smarter to watch people instead of networks? George Eliot Aug 2017 #174
Hmm. It is odd that you interpret my distrust of Russia Today to mean I'm in an echo chamber. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #176
Watched him tonight on RT. I don't think it was a repeat. George Eliot Aug 2017 #179
This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Aug 2017 #82
I wouldn't frame progressive talk radio as a "fringe thing." When the fairness doctrine expired diva77 Aug 2017 #89
Well, like most people, I have never listened to Limbaugh, MineralMan Aug 2017 #93
wingnut hate talk radio has an unfair advantage the same way Walmart and Amazon do - diva77 Aug 2017 #113
Follow the money. That's the whole thing, really. MineralMan Aug 2017 #121
It's not really just the money though - it's deregulation and undercutting and not pure market diva77 Aug 2017 #128
Here's a link: MineralMan Aug 2017 #130
not sure what you want me to see at that link diva77 Aug 2017 #135
You never listened to Hartman either, but presumed to "rate" him whathehell Aug 2017 #122
I did listen to him a little, quite a while back, MineralMan Aug 2017 #125
No, I have no trouble believing your opinion is based on a "little" listening whathehell Aug 2017 #132
OK. MineralMan Aug 2017 #133
Lol whathehell Aug 2017 #134
Hate media Lamonte Aug 2017 #103
Yes -- we need billionaires with consciences (if that's not an oxymoron) to step up and help diva77 Aug 2017 #114
Thom needs to up his online cred and post 60,000 posts on freerepublic. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #21
Uuuuhhh..right whathehell Aug 2017 #32
Nailed It. SixString Aug 2017 #34
LOL! MineralMan Aug 2017 #35
word. KG Aug 2017 #52
. Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2017 #58
Thank you. n/t QC Aug 2017 #152
I used to take Hartmann at his word that hjh3rd Aug 2017 #109
I never watched him on RT and the point is, whathehell Aug 2017 #111
You left out 911 Truther, pseudoscientist, JFK conspiracy theorist, all around crackpot and... Foamfollower Aug 2017 #150
You're talking to someone who's not even mildly impressed whathehell Aug 2017 #151
Not one of those is an allegation. They are all facts. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #153
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #155
Can't tke the truth about Thom Hartmann? Foamfollower Aug 2017 #161
I believe I saw a post from thomhartmann this week. spooky3 Aug 2017 #8
Well, if that's him, then I stand corrected. MineralMan Aug 2017 #10
I have to say there are plenty of "good Democrats" who turns out not to be. Joe Lieberman OregonBlue Aug 2017 #29
you can search this site for any user. mopinko Aug 2017 #42
Yes, I realize that, and did so. MineralMan Aug 2017 #45
no space in the name. mopinko Aug 2017 #50
Your little imho statement: whoopsie Hekate Aug 2017 #71
Yup, never engages w DU'ers just posts links. My assumption that it is an intern posting. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #86
Thom doesn't post here AFAIK. I believe That's his intern, and his intern never engages with DU'ers emulatorloo Aug 2017 #83
I'm a bit puzzled by it all. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #11
Well, my hope is just to make people think twice before accepting MineralMan Aug 2017 #14
You made points well Cary Aug 2017 #74
Well said. mountain grammy Aug 2017 #67
Traitor.. disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #13
Who used the word "traitor?" MineralMan Aug 2017 #15
I never claimed it was you good sir.. disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #20
Ah, I see. OK, then. MineralMan Aug 2017 #23
Strawman emulatorloo Aug 2017 #88
Somehow I've missed all these pundits and their fame. cwydro Aug 2017 #16
Yes. Well, it's hard to miss them if you read DU regularly. MineralMan Aug 2017 #18
That's what I find strange get the red out Aug 2017 #57
I guess I wasn't clear. cwydro Aug 2017 #97
No, I understood you just fine. MineralMan Aug 2017 #99
Gotcha. cwydro Aug 2017 #101
the Battles started when a poster started trying to defend RT and Putin JI7 Aug 2017 #156
I miss the days when DU wasn't loaded with bots and disruptors. Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #19
I'm not sure there ever were such days, really. MineralMan Aug 2017 #22
Back in 2001-2003, it was a whole other world Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #27
That's probably true. MineralMan Aug 2017 #33
You forgot this guy BumRushDaShow Aug 2017 #65
I miss the days it wasn't loaded with Reagan Democrats. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #104
+ a zillion. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #107
It never was and it isn't now. You're surrounded by left-liberals and progressives. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #112
You mean there were people who admitted to voting for Reagan here? Who? VermontKevin Aug 2017 #144
Who? Where? mcar Aug 2017 #146
Oh, like Manny Goldstein, he was a Reagan voter. betsuni Aug 2017 #162
Zing! He was, indeed. MineralMan Aug 2017 #166
Yes. Even admitted he wanted Obama's election overturned emulatorloo Aug 2017 #177
A correction unc70 Aug 2017 #24
I tend not to listen to fringe talk radio from either side. MineralMan Aug 2017 #28
Maybe you should reconsider what is "fringe" or "progressive" unc70 Aug 2017 #37
Here's "progressive" commentator Jimmy Dore of TYT. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #94
Thank you.. whathehell Aug 2017 #157
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #30
. SixString Aug 2017 #36
Mic drop NT trc Aug 2017 #39
Nope, logical fallacies will never be mic drop worthy. nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #139
Which logical fallacy are you referring to? druidity33 Aug 2017 #142
Everything is whataboutism. Haven't you heard? Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #149
No, just some people keep using them so they keep hearing about it. nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #167
Whataboutism and ad hominem. Notice that the OPs points were never addressed stevenleser Aug 2017 #168
... disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #41
Nope. Not an "Oh Snap". The argument was never addressed. Logical fallacies were applied. nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #141
As long as your not using the whataboutism and adhominem logical fallacies... stevenleser Aug 2017 #138
An ad hominem is calling Hartmann a traitor because his show appears on RT Rob H. Aug 2017 #147
The tactic you describe is whataboutism and yes also an ad hominem stevenleser Aug 2017 #171
third rate pundits....in my state in local politics we always moan about how the gop has a stronger dembotoz Aug 2017 #38
I suggest that we not strive to emulate Fox News. MineralMan Aug 2017 #40
not emulate fox but perhaps shoot our own less often dembotoz Aug 2017 #53
It can be difficult, at times, to know who is "our own" MineralMan Aug 2017 #56
an idea...lets spend more ridicule on those who are obviously not our own dembotoz Aug 2017 #62
I find the regular malignment of political allies here disgusting. longship Aug 2017 #43
Some "allies" are not. MineralMan Aug 2017 #44
I think it is important to not throw allies under the bus! longship Aug 2017 #84
Ok, I think Hartman clearly is an ally Kentonio Aug 2017 #158
I rest my case, MM. nt longship Aug 2017 #172
Louise Mensch is not a 'political ally' or one of 'our own' LeftishBrit Aug 2017 #170
I like a variety of sources ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #46
Agreed leftofcool Aug 2017 #47
A pundit is merely a pundit but... Goonch Aug 2017 #48
Hair on fire! MineralMan Aug 2017 #49
Personally, I find the labeling of who is and by extension who is not shanny Aug 2017 #54
Thanks Scruffy1 Aug 2017 #55
I admire regular old news reporting that simply tells MineralMan Aug 2017 #63
Unfortunately, the only people to try that recently were Al Jazeera Warpy Aug 2017 #154
Wait - you are lumping Hartmann in with Mensch and Taylor? Cosmocat Aug 2017 #59
Here's the thing: MineralMan Aug 2017 #66
OK Cosmocat Aug 2017 #78
Yes well nuance is dead here nt riderinthestorm Aug 2017 #68
I know, right! Duppers Aug 2017 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author zentrum Aug 2017 #61
Begs the question: whom do you consider first or even second rate pundits? eom GusBob Aug 2017 #69
Hmm. Watch MSNBC or even the three major broadcast networks. MineralMan Aug 2017 #76
I don't watch TV , sorry GusBob Aug 2017 #119
Exactly, I have the benefit of having MSNBC CNN in the background all day MiddleClass Aug 2017 #136
K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #70
Re: Tom Hartman as former DUer Stargazer99 Aug 2017 #72
Skepticism is certainly warranted bucolic_frolic Aug 2017 #73
Yeah Cosmocat Aug 2017 #79
And sources like Common Dreams that used to be more reliable.... LisaM Aug 2017 #75
Whatever OutaHere Aug 2017 #80
What you said... MineralMan Aug 2017 #81
Actually Mineralman, This has been one of the better threads Ive SLOWLY read through... Old Vet Aug 2017 #105
Thanks. My comment was sarcastically aimed MineralMan Aug 2017 #106
BLASPHEMY! BTW, why did he leave DU? George II Aug 2017 #87
I'm not sure he did leave. MineralMan Aug 2017 #90
It's naive to expect them to reveal their sources. Qutzupalotl Aug 2017 #92
I don't actually think they have any sources, really. MineralMan Aug 2017 #96
Mensch must be an impressive psychic, then, Qutzupalotl Aug 2017 #100
as usual, DU saves it's most passionate vitriol G_j Aug 2017 #95
Oh, I'm always happy to direct some vitriol at Republicans. MineralMan Aug 2017 #98
generally G_j Aug 2017 #116
I agree with your analysis and concerns Gothmog Aug 2017 #115
I don't find it odd whenever people think for themselves. bathroommonkey76 Aug 2017 #117
I never even heard of either of these characters before I read this thread Mountain Mule Aug 2017 #120
I'm going to watch and listen to whomever is available Ilsa Aug 2017 #123
I don't believe I suggested that you do otherwise. MineralMan Aug 2017 #126
Brunch with Bernie OxQQme Aug 2017 #124
OK. Thanks. MineralMan Aug 2017 #127
I skipped past most of the pissing contest because ego doesn't belong here IMO. flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #129
Certain of those you name up follow a bit elehhhhna Aug 2017 #131
Another reason I'm glad Snopes got bailed out. raven mad Aug 2017 #137
Your opinion of Thom Hartmann is certainly evolving. SalviaBlue Aug 2017 #140
Hartmann Is Smart And Legit colsohlibgal Aug 2017 #143
And some of these same people who say these media figures mcar Aug 2017 #145
Best and most insightful post. PufPuf23 Aug 2017 #148
A bit over-blown don't you think? George Eliot Aug 2017 #159
Some were banned for doubting Fitzmas Shrek Aug 2017 #160
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #163
no resume, no history in reality- except words on the internet. As if they're a gaming toon. Sunlei Aug 2017 #164
Necessary Action Amsterdammer Aug 2017 #165
I agree when it comes to Louise Mensch; I don't really know about the others LeftishBrit Aug 2017 #169
I agree! This is why I love DU... SkyDaddy7 Aug 2017 #173
So, what/who do you listen/read outside the echo chamber besides DU you say? George Eliot Aug 2017 #175
You are surrounded at DU by left-liberals and progressives emulatorloo Aug 2017 #178
Where did I suggest abandoning critical thinking? George Eliot Aug 2017 #180
When you keep telling folks they live in a bubble because they've seen RT and don't find it emulatorloo Aug 2017 #181
Never said "bubble" and you said you don't watch RT George Eliot Aug 2017 #182
I've seen RT. Again you make assumptions that we can't "think critically". That's Bullshit. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #183
Lol I think you might re-read your early posts George Eliot Sep 2017 #184
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