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George Eliot

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175. So, what/who do you listen/read outside the echo chamber besides DU you say?

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:14 PM

Aug 2017

Seems to me DU is an establishment echo chamber with progressives regularly bashed just as this OP had done by denigrating part of the democratic community who represents a more progressive stance for no purpose other than put downs of a segment of DU posters. His OP reeks of superiority. Again, what is the point of this OP and how are you different?

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Personally, I find the regular, intense defense on DU of third-rate pundits, [View all] MineralMan Aug 2017 OP

K&R murielm99 Aug 2017 #1

Yes. There are things that need to be done around here, too. MineralMan Aug 2017 #2

Thank you HopeAgain Aug 2017 #3

Well, you know yourself, just as I know myself. MineralMan Aug 2017 #4

And to prove your point billh58 Aug 2017 #60

Well, that's to be expected. MineralMan Aug 2017 #64

It's just the nature of the internet marylandblue Aug 2017 #5

Before the Internet, people used to take a soapbox and MineralMan Aug 2017 #6

Yes, I agree, but people like Mensch take advantage of people marylandblue Aug 2017 #25

Lol.."Third rate pundits"? whathehell Aug 2017 #7

How about that? MineralMan Aug 2017 #9

Sorry, but if you asked 100 people if they listen to Progressive Talk Radio whathehell Aug 2017 #12

I am not your "bro." MineralMan Aug 2017 #17

Lol...Is that the best you got? whathehell Aug 2017 #26

Sorry. Not playing. MineralMan Aug 2017 #31

Lol whathehell Aug 2017 #51

You got your ass handed to you. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #77

Lol..In your DREAMS!...Please tell us all HOW whathehell Aug 2017 #91

Because your little dipshit dishonest attempt to pretend Putin Today is a "progressive" outlet emulatorloo Aug 2017 #102

Lol! Please show me where I said ANYTHING about RT! whathehell Aug 2017 #108

LOL no. You're as transparent as hell and I'm not going down some 'gotcha' rabbit hole with you. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #110

Lol..'Transparent" my ass...You falsely accused me of defending RT whathehell Aug 2017 #118

Isnt it smarter to watch people instead of networks? George Eliot Aug 2017 #174

Hmm. It is odd that you interpret my distrust of Russia Today to mean I'm in an echo chamber. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #176

Watched him tonight on RT. I don't think it was a repeat. George Eliot Aug 2017 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Aug 2017 #82

I wouldn't frame progressive talk radio as a "fringe thing." When the fairness doctrine expired diva77 Aug 2017 #89

Well, like most people, I have never listened to Limbaugh, MineralMan Aug 2017 #93

wingnut hate talk radio has an unfair advantage the same way Walmart and Amazon do - diva77 Aug 2017 #113

Follow the money. That's the whole thing, really. MineralMan Aug 2017 #121

It's not really just the money though - it's deregulation and undercutting and not pure market diva77 Aug 2017 #128

Here's a link: MineralMan Aug 2017 #130

not sure what you want me to see at that link diva77 Aug 2017 #135

You never listened to Hartman either, but presumed to "rate" him whathehell Aug 2017 #122

I did listen to him a little, quite a while back, MineralMan Aug 2017 #125

No, I have no trouble believing your opinion is based on a "little" listening whathehell Aug 2017 #132

OK. MineralMan Aug 2017 #133

Lol whathehell Aug 2017 #134

Hate media Lamonte Aug 2017 #103

Yes -- we need billionaires with consciences (if that's not an oxymoron) to step up and help diva77 Aug 2017 #114

Thom needs to up his online cred and post 60,000 posts on freerepublic. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #21

Uuuuhhh..right whathehell Aug 2017 #32

Nailed It. SixString Aug 2017 #34

LOL! MineralMan Aug 2017 #35

word. KG Aug 2017 #52

. Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2017 #58

Thank you. n/t QC Aug 2017 #152

I used to take Hartmann at his word that hjh3rd Aug 2017 #109

I never watched him on RT and the point is, whathehell Aug 2017 #111

You left out 911 Truther, pseudoscientist, JFK conspiracy theorist, all around crackpot and... Foamfollower Aug 2017 #150

You're talking to someone who's not even mildly impressed whathehell Aug 2017 #151

Not one of those is an allegation. They are all facts. Foamfollower Aug 2017 #153

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #155

Can't tke the truth about Thom Hartmann? Foamfollower Aug 2017 #161

I believe I saw a post from thomhartmann this week. spooky3 Aug 2017 #8

Well, if that's him, then I stand corrected. MineralMan Aug 2017 #10

I have to say there are plenty of "good Democrats" who turns out not to be. Joe Lieberman OregonBlue Aug 2017 #29

you can search this site for any user. mopinko Aug 2017 #42

Yes, I realize that, and did so. MineralMan Aug 2017 #45

no space in the name. mopinko Aug 2017 #50

Your little imho statement: whoopsie Hekate Aug 2017 #71

Yup, never engages w DU'ers just posts links. My assumption that it is an intern posting. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #86

Thom doesn't post here AFAIK. I believe That's his intern, and his intern never engages with DU'ers emulatorloo Aug 2017 #83

I'm a bit puzzled by it all. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #11

Well, my hope is just to make people think twice before accepting MineralMan Aug 2017 #14

You made points well Cary Aug 2017 #74

Well said. mountain grammy Aug 2017 #67

Traitor.. disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #13

Who used the word "traitor?" MineralMan Aug 2017 #15

I never claimed it was you good sir.. disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #20

Ah, I see. OK, then. MineralMan Aug 2017 #23

Strawman emulatorloo Aug 2017 #88

Somehow I've missed all these pundits and their fame. cwydro Aug 2017 #16

Yes. Well, it's hard to miss them if you read DU regularly. MineralMan Aug 2017 #18

That's what I find strange get the red out Aug 2017 #57

I guess I wasn't clear. cwydro Aug 2017 #97

No, I understood you just fine. MineralMan Aug 2017 #99

Gotcha. cwydro Aug 2017 #101

the Battles started when a poster started trying to defend RT and Putin JI7 Aug 2017 #156

I miss the days when DU wasn't loaded with bots and disruptors. Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #19

I'm not sure there ever were such days, really. MineralMan Aug 2017 #22

Back in 2001-2003, it was a whole other world Blue_Adept Aug 2017 #27

That's probably true. MineralMan Aug 2017 #33

You forgot this guy BumRushDaShow Aug 2017 #65

I miss the days it wasn't loaded with Reagan Democrats. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #104

+ a zillion. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #107

It never was and it isn't now. You're surrounded by left-liberals and progressives. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #112

You mean there were people who admitted to voting for Reagan here? Who? VermontKevin Aug 2017 #144

Who? Where? mcar Aug 2017 #146

Oh, like Manny Goldstein, he was a Reagan voter. betsuni Aug 2017 #162

Zing! He was, indeed. MineralMan Aug 2017 #166

Yes. Even admitted he wanted Obama's election overturned emulatorloo Aug 2017 #177

A correction unc70 Aug 2017 #24

I tend not to listen to fringe talk radio from either side. MineralMan Aug 2017 #28

Maybe you should reconsider what is "fringe" or "progressive" unc70 Aug 2017 #37

Here's "progressive" commentator Jimmy Dore of TYT. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #94

Thank you.. whathehell Aug 2017 #157

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #30

. SixString Aug 2017 #36

Mic drop NT trc Aug 2017 #39

Nope, logical fallacies will never be mic drop worthy. nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #139

Which logical fallacy are you referring to? druidity33 Aug 2017 #142

Everything is whataboutism. Haven't you heard? Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #149

No, just some people keep using them so they keep hearing about it. nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #167

Whataboutism and ad hominem. Notice that the OPs points were never addressed stevenleser Aug 2017 #168

... disillusioned73 Aug 2017 #41

Nope. Not an "Oh Snap". The argument was never addressed. Logical fallacies were applied. nt stevenleser Aug 2017 #141

As long as your not using the whataboutism and adhominem logical fallacies... stevenleser Aug 2017 #138

An ad hominem is calling Hartmann a traitor because his show appears on RT Rob H. Aug 2017 #147

The tactic you describe is whataboutism and yes also an ad hominem stevenleser Aug 2017 #171

third rate pundits....in my state in local politics we always moan about how the gop has a stronger dembotoz Aug 2017 #38

I suggest that we not strive to emulate Fox News. MineralMan Aug 2017 #40

not emulate fox but perhaps shoot our own less often dembotoz Aug 2017 #53

It can be difficult, at times, to know who is "our own" MineralMan Aug 2017 #56

an idea...lets spend more ridicule on those who are obviously not our own dembotoz Aug 2017 #62

I find the regular malignment of political allies here disgusting. longship Aug 2017 #43

Some "allies" are not. MineralMan Aug 2017 #44

I think it is important to not throw allies under the bus! longship Aug 2017 #84

Ok, I think Hartman clearly is an ally Kentonio Aug 2017 #158

I rest my case, MM. nt longship Aug 2017 #172

Louise Mensch is not a 'political ally' or one of 'our own' LeftishBrit Aug 2017 #170

I like a variety of sources ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #46

Agreed leftofcool Aug 2017 #47

A pundit is merely a pundit but... Goonch Aug 2017 #48

Hair on fire! MineralMan Aug 2017 #49

Personally, I find the labeling of who is and by extension who is not shanny Aug 2017 #54

Thanks Scruffy1 Aug 2017 #55

I admire regular old news reporting that simply tells MineralMan Aug 2017 #63

Unfortunately, the only people to try that recently were Al Jazeera Warpy Aug 2017 #154

Wait - you are lumping Hartmann in with Mensch and Taylor? Cosmocat Aug 2017 #59

Here's the thing: MineralMan Aug 2017 #66

OK Cosmocat Aug 2017 #78

Yes well nuance is dead here nt riderinthestorm Aug 2017 #68

I know, right! Duppers Aug 2017 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author zentrum Aug 2017 #61

Begs the question: whom do you consider first or even second rate pundits? eom GusBob Aug 2017 #69

Hmm. Watch MSNBC or even the three major broadcast networks. MineralMan Aug 2017 #76

I don't watch TV , sorry GusBob Aug 2017 #119

Exactly, I have the benefit of having MSNBC CNN in the background all day MiddleClass Aug 2017 #136

K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #70

Re: Tom Hartman as former DUer Stargazer99 Aug 2017 #72

Skepticism is certainly warranted bucolic_frolic Aug 2017 #73

Yeah Cosmocat Aug 2017 #79

And sources like Common Dreams that used to be more reliable.... LisaM Aug 2017 #75

Whatever OutaHere Aug 2017 #80

What you said... MineralMan Aug 2017 #81

Actually Mineralman, This has been one of the better threads Ive SLOWLY read through... Old Vet Aug 2017 #105

Thanks. My comment was sarcastically aimed MineralMan Aug 2017 #106

BLASPHEMY! BTW, why did he leave DU? George II Aug 2017 #87

I'm not sure he did leave. MineralMan Aug 2017 #90

It's naive to expect them to reveal their sources. Qutzupalotl Aug 2017 #92

I don't actually think they have any sources, really. MineralMan Aug 2017 #96

Mensch must be an impressive psychic, then, Qutzupalotl Aug 2017 #100

as usual, DU saves it's most passionate vitriol G_j Aug 2017 #95

Oh, I'm always happy to direct some vitriol at Republicans. MineralMan Aug 2017 #98

generally G_j Aug 2017 #116

I agree with your analysis and concerns Gothmog Aug 2017 #115

I don't find it odd whenever people think for themselves. bathroommonkey76 Aug 2017 #117

I never even heard of either of these characters before I read this thread Mountain Mule Aug 2017 #120

I'm going to watch and listen to whomever is available Ilsa Aug 2017 #123

I don't believe I suggested that you do otherwise. MineralMan Aug 2017 #126

Brunch with Bernie OxQQme Aug 2017 #124

OK. Thanks. MineralMan Aug 2017 #127

I skipped past most of the pissing contest because ego doesn't belong here IMO. flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #129

Certain of those you name up follow a bit elehhhhna Aug 2017 #131

Another reason I'm glad Snopes got bailed out. raven mad Aug 2017 #137

Your opinion of Thom Hartmann is certainly evolving. SalviaBlue Aug 2017 #140

Hartmann Is Smart And Legit colsohlibgal Aug 2017 #143

And some of these same people who say these media figures mcar Aug 2017 #145

Best and most insightful post. PufPuf23 Aug 2017 #148

A bit over-blown don't you think? George Eliot Aug 2017 #159

Some were banned for doubting Fitzmas Shrek Aug 2017 #160

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #163

no resume, no history in reality- except words on the internet. As if they're a gaming toon. Sunlei Aug 2017 #164

Necessary Action Amsterdammer Aug 2017 #165

I agree when it comes to Louise Mensch; I don't really know about the others LeftishBrit Aug 2017 #169

I agree! This is why I love DU... SkyDaddy7 Aug 2017 #173

So, what/who do you listen/read outside the echo chamber besides DU you say? George Eliot Aug 2017 #175

You are surrounded at DU by left-liberals and progressives emulatorloo Aug 2017 #178

Where did I suggest abandoning critical thinking? George Eliot Aug 2017 #180

When you keep telling folks they live in a bubble because they've seen RT and don't find it emulatorloo Aug 2017 #181

Never said "bubble" and you said you don't watch RT George Eliot Aug 2017 #182

I've seen RT. Again you make assumptions that we can't "think critically". That's Bullshit. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #183

Lol I think you might re-read your early posts George Eliot Sep 2017 #184