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In reply to the discussion: Do you agree or disagree with this general statement about where U.S. foreign policy should go? [View all]NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)64. Well...
This is the difference with us.
"The"? That implies just one. There are many. Actually... I could write a book.
When disagreeing with you on an issue, I never choose to treat you like you are beneath me as a human being.
I never said that. I never do that to you either. That is a false accusation and disparaging insinuation. I don't deserve that kind of bullying.
My concern has always simply been issues and the merits of the argument. Why do you seem to feel you can't do that?
Really? If that's truly your main concern, please explain the reason for ugly accusations and rude insinuations about me. What's with all this "negging" of me?
Why do you seem to feel that the only way you can make yourself heard is to be personally nasty to people with differing views than yours?
More "negging". I don't do that. That's another false accusation. Frankly, I don't deserve to be treated this way and I'm not going to let anyone try to bully me into silence.
I think there's something important that you need to be told... It's not nice to accuse someone of being "nasty" simply because they disagree with you. And I can't believe you used the word "nasty" to describe me! Remember how Trump used it as a sexist slur against Hillary? And now you're using the word "NASTY" with reference to me?? Amazing.
You're not an oppressed person on this board. Nobody here is persecuting you, or trying to tell you not to express your opinions.
Are you actually suggesting that you are an "oppressed person"? Are you feeling "persecuted"? Is someone trying to silence you?
You're not an oppressed person on this board.
I never made such a claim.
Nobody here is persecuting you,
I never made such a claim.
or trying to tell you not to express your opinions.
Well... I guess that depends on how you look at it. I think the sexist and bullying aspect of calling someone "nasty" is an attempt to shut-down the conversation and to make someone shut-up.
To my knowledge, nobody here is intentionally disrespecting you in any way at all.
Scroll up.
All that happens with you here, from what I can see, is that some of those who post on this board disagree with you.
Yes... and... what's your point? I disagree with some people here... so? Some people disagree with me... so? Reasonable and mature adults can have political disagreements without feeling "insulted" or "hurt" or "attacked". It happens all the time. What's the big deal?
I'm only hurt and upset when someone accuses me of being "nasty".
I get upset when I'm falsely accused of treating people as if they were less than human. I never do that an you know it! That's no reason to treat me like I'm some sort of witch. (FYI: "Nasty" is just cutesy code-talk for calling someone a B or a C without actually saying the word.)
And in real life, were we to meet, I'd probably ask you to join me for coffee to try and work out some reasonable, mutually respectable way to communicate.
Uh... no, thank you. For obvious reasons, that's not a good idea.
Why should we assume that we can't ever change the way we deal with the rest of the world? That we can't ever align, on a basic level, with the majority of the human race?
Who's making that assumption? (Strawman. Irrelevant.)
It's not as though the heads of state and the ceo's and the generals are the only figures who matter, or even that all of them will hang on in power forever.
Who's making that argument? (Strawman. Irrelevant.)
It's not as though our only way of being relevant in the world is trade deals largely written for the benefit of the 1% and an endless series of military interventions around the globe.
Irrelevant. Strawman. That's not what this is about. You're changing the subject as per usual.
What is so terrible about, in some way, sending the signal to the many, to the billions with nothing and no hope, that we will no longer be party to holding them down?
See response #12. The one that starts off with: It's a naive and unrealistic approach. Or a very clumsy phrase... because our nation does not sign treaties or enter into accords with a nation's citizens. Such things are typically done with their government or their leaders (whether elected or not.) Now, our country can seek to improve how we are perceived with the citizens of another country. We can employ propaganda or promote positive public relations... but that's definitely NOT the same thing as an actual "partnership".
You're now trying to change the subject... move the goalposts... and redefine how our nation actually enters into treaties, accords or agreements with other nations.
So I'll repeat something that I've said to you many times before. Just because you change a few words and reword your question or your premise or your objection/s MY RESPONSE WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
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Do you agree or disagree with this general statement about where U.S. foreign policy should go? [View all]
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
OP
It sounded like you were comparing the speech to Pacino's courtroom speech in that movie
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#19
Along those lines, if there are three people on an elevator and one farts.........
George II
Sep 2017
#16
This is a thread about the idea. It doesn't matter what you feel about the person who said it.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#6
Sounds like populism when you promise to reach out to the world's poor...
Expecting Rain
Sep 2017
#22
I'm support "fair trade"-that is trade deals that guarantee workers in different countries
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#50
That's not a partnership. That's PR or goodwill, it's an apology-tour, but it's not a partnership.
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#23
I gotta laugh at the idea of someone running campaigning on that. And won't oppose
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#30
It's bizarre that none of this has to do with doing things today. Why is their no policy for now?
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#55
I know an Iranian American woman who wants to do business with IRan and other countries
JI7
Sep 2017
#48
Obviously, after "drain the swamp" and "make America great again" we need to question
Warpy
Sep 2017
#49
Are you pretending Dems have no policy positions ? Because that's what this "solely on Trump"
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#56
No, I'm not pretending that(and I AM a Democrat, so please don't imply I'm an outsider)
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#57
The idea of actually listening to and working with the global majority terrifies you, I think.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#51
We use that language and sentiment anytime we want to screw over another government.
rogue emissary
Sep 2017
#15
OK. A cynic can co-opt any positive concept...we all KNOW that...what's your point here?
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#54
It *is* silly-fluff but it's fun to watch people try to make it MORE important than it actually is
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#60
Perhaps it is time for the United States to seek partnerships with the people of Venezuela...
Expecting Rain
Sep 2017
#65