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In reply to the discussion: How many on the progressive wing of the Democratic party were duped by Putin?. [View all]GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)66. How many on the centrist wing of the Democratic Party
Last edited Fri Dec 1, 2017, 08:43 AM - Edit history (1)
Were duped by Putin?
Even now, after learning that internet persona spewing obviously, and often ludicrously, false talking points were actually paid Russian trolls and bots, the vast majority of centrists (liberals?) are STILL acting like those fake persona are proof that progressives are hostile to the goals of our party.
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How many on the progressive wing of the Democratic party were duped by Putin?. [View all]
Eko
Nov 2017
OP
I campaigned for Hillary in the fall. I didn't fall for anything Putin said or did.
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#3
I don't claim to speak for "everyone on the progressive wing of the Democratic Party".
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#7
I would say that Putin had a far greater effect in swinging working-class voters away from us
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#16
Yup, Putin only had to swing/suppress 33,000 votes in the Rust Belt nt
Fiendish Thingy
Dec 2017
#207
Prove it. No progressives here or any I know elsewhere were influenced by social media associated
ancianita
Dec 2017
#48
Nope. It's not my style. Others can see someone's politics for themselves. I don't censor.
ancianita
Dec 2017
#258
Repeat what? Threatening not to vote democratic ticket unless given a reason to do so?
Eliot Rosewater
Dec 2017
#253
Repeat inventing a mythical boogeyman in our own ranks as some big problem
LiberalLovinLug
Dec 2017
#256
We need to examine it to stop it from happening again. Putin will be back next year and
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#72
"If a person does those things, that proves that person is not refighting the primaries."
betsuni
Dec 2017
#188
But it is the whole story...that is what you don't get...they revved up hated against Clinton using
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#220
I've been told here that ALL Democrats are progressives-was news to me-so, what does that tell you?
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2017
#82
I said it...all Democrats are progressive...there are degrees of course...Manchin and Feinstein
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#221
Reformation? Deadline for nailing your 95 Theses on How The Democratic Party Sucks
betsuni
Nov 2017
#23
Not "how it sucks"(I never use or even think phrases like that)but how it needs to change
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#26
No it doesn't. The 'change' you advocated would cause us to lose...the courts are already being
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#73
OK...if you're a socialist(what country do you live in, btw)what is your issue with me?
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#192
I don't think you're lying, but what you said there has nothing to do with anything I said.
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#191
If you want go to after Sarandon, fine. I seriously doubt she influenced much of anyone.
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#148
And you're not going to pull us together by sneering at "dismissive centrists."
betsuni
Dec 2017
#139
That was in response to a collective attack on "the progressive wing of the Democratic Party"
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#144
Oh Ken, you deleted just for me? My heart is pounding and my palms moist with perspiration.
betsuni
Dec 2017
#149
Simple, honest question. does this mean if democrats or liberals are yelling at you
Eliot Rosewater
Dec 2017
#164
Good post. Could have saved myself some time had I read this before responding myself
KPN
Dec 2017
#105
Actually, it's more like..."Ok Putin was involved...but so what? What do we do with that?"
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#29
Exactly they ignore and downplay Russia because they like anything anti HRC- same shit as the GOP.
bettyellen
Dec 2017
#64
It is your OPINION that you are pushing here regarding the cause of those numbers
stevenleser
Dec 2017
#84
I don't have anything to do with "the JPR mindset". I've never been a member of JPR
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#120
See Ken...this is the problem...you would rather ...against all evidence...blame the
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#74
It ruins their narrative that we have to address the Dem shortcomings because we lost
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#89
That is a good point...I can't disagree. And I would even suggest there are multiple levels of
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#98
Blaming the fall campaign is not the same as attacking Hillary. I respect Hillary
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#121
OK, I've assumed it was that election that you were referring to when you spoke of
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#167
I didn't put words in your mouth at all. I simply came to what seemed a logical conclusion.
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#172
Hillary is no longer the point. I deeply respect her and mourn the fact that she isn't president.
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#30
You're assuming that we can't appeal to both. Those two groups largely want the same things.
Ken Burch
Nov 2017
#27
Pretty much anyone who still believes pizzagate is real is a right-wing extremist.
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#147
The ultimate tragedy is some certain people on the left I don't have to name
Blue_Tires
Nov 2017
#35
conflicting statements about whether the Russians were involved in the release of the DNC emails?
Eko
Nov 2017
#37
You know they were released with edits and time stamps stricken to fool people/ and fool them they
bettyellen
Dec 2017
#65
People were fooled by timestamps, because they assumed the emails were sent earlier
bettyellen
Dec 2017
#113
Thanks, but I haven't always been so prudent. Experience is the best teacher. (n/t)
Jim Lane
Dec 2017
#91
So is Trump more to your liking? There were only two choices...Trump and Clinton...
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#75
You're just DYING to argue with a Stein voter, aren't you? For that, you'll have to go to JPR.
Jim Lane
Dec 2017
#90
No one here will ever admit to being a Stein voter (and I am not sure any are here.)
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#93
Hahahah...I await my comeuppance for blackening the reputation of serial killers
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#99
Hahah...the Russians target the so called progressives (not Democrats)...the most gullible among us.
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#79
I don't really believe in wings...I hold views on some issues that some could call centrist...and on
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#100
Too many. What I find incomprehensible is that some have doubled down and continue to be used.
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#70
Populism is dangerous...it is used mostly to sway the masses towards a greater evil...consider the
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#80
It can be, but not always. The New Deal and the Great Society were also started with populism.
Caliman73
Dec 2017
#103
I don't consider that populism really...but those things were great no matter
Demsrule86
Dec 2017
#110
Quite a few and I think we still have some on 'our' side still doing the dirty work for him
nini
Dec 2017
#92
The collective attack on "the progressive wing of the Democratic Party" as dupes of Putin.
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#145
The OP didn't say we were ALL duped. It specifically singled out ONE WING OF THiS PARTY
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#156
It means you rhetorically singled out progressive Democrats as dupable, and without call.
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#213
He organizes with us in the Senate and campaigns for our ticket in the fall.
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#229
Being a nominal independent is not the same thing as "being in another party".
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#232
It's not as though non-voters want something different than the people you label "populists".
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#159
If today's centrist made policy like those guys, Democrats would not be wiped out
yurbud
Dec 2017
#189
If you can't tell the difference between the corporate welfare sell outs of the GOP...
JHan
Dec 2017
#193
I never said Republicans were any good at governing. Even if I keep voting for Democrats
yurbud
Dec 2017
#247
Yes, but Nancy and Chuck "attacked the rich" despite what Clooback threatened.
lapucelle
Dec 2017
#262
we agree on all of that. Since Democrats ended up passing it with a simple majority
yurbud
Dec 2017
#205
Who in a red state doesn't want decent public schools, free college, and Medicare for all?
yurbud
Dec 2017
#269
And you act like they haven't...or that those policy issues are simple.. they aren't.
JHan
Dec 2017
#270
Scotland article said tuition was free, but it sounds like they cut other grants that helped poor
yurbud
Dec 2017
#272