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DaveT

(687 posts)
61. It was a close vote
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:30 PM
Oct 2015

and I would not be surprised to see a re-vote or some other gimmick to undo it.

But this is HUGE.

This is the inevitable result of the idiocy of our foreign policy since September 11, 2011. Bush and Obama have proven to the world that we are unable to win the wars we start, yet our internal politics roll along with obsessive discussions of whether Bernie Sanders is a sexist for using the word, "shouting."

Not even Bernie is attacking the $700 billion plus defense budget, or the "Bush Doctrine" -- the forgotten national security policy revolution that Obama has not revoked. No, we no longer rely on the Deterrence that won the Cold War, and we still harbor the fantasy that we can use our military "might" to prevent other countries from making trouble by picking their governments for them.

This was idiotic when Dick Cheney first proposed it in the Poppy Bush administration and it got laughed off the national stage. It was still idiotic after September 11, but idiocy became chic in those days when Irony Was Dead, Every Thing Had Changed and the frat rat bozo name Dubya became the reincarnation of Winston Churchill.


Well, 14 years later, we ain'tt the Big Dog of the world any more, even with our insane military budget. The European Union's governing body, by this razor thin vote, just told us so.


Like all dying Empires, our Imperial Court will only realize that our turn on top is over when the barbarians breach through the gates. That is still a long way off, maybe even decades before the inevitable humiliation comes -- and they probably still have enough bluff and bullshit to undo this symbolic shooting of Europe's Finger at us.


We can at least hope that the rest of the world will show us the kind of mercy that we would never think of affording to the peoples of the countries we invade with troops or bomb from the air. Whatever our long term fate, this is a milestone on the road away from American Empire.

Cheers, Europe!

woo hoo! nt valerief Oct 2015 #1
Excellent news! MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #2
he can leave whenever he wishes. nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #4
I'm sure MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #13
Your sentence is illogical. nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #18
Ok... MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #27
you suggest both an extra judicial and a judicial consequence in one sentence. msanthrope Oct 2015 #28
Yes. MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #43
Well, I suggest that the PTB would pick one or the other. nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #79
Go right ahead. MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #109
Your hatred is illogical. Fuddnik Oct 2015 #86
How do you figure? Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #70
well, a resounding maybe, anyway Doubledee Oct 2015 #80
I think he can sign up for a one year contract on his mobile phone goldent Oct 2015 #84
No....you miss my meaning. Mr . Snowden may leave Russia msanthrope Oct 2015 #92
He surely may Doubledee Oct 2015 #106
He has charges filed against him in federal court. He wouldn't msanthrope Oct 2015 #115
Certainty of opinion Doubledee Oct 2015 #118
"Europe " had "criminal charges" against Snowden? msanthrope Oct 2015 #3
Yeah, I just posted with the same thought. 11cents Oct 2015 #10
It is a resolution that advises European countries to grant Snowden asylum JDPriestly Oct 2015 #24
HERE are the criminal charges. senz Oct 2015 #37
There are always consequences to actions like this Calista241 Oct 2015 #73
Oh I see, you're picking at the headline. senz Oct 2015 #40
no, not that one. Phlem Oct 2015 #58
heh nt grasswire Oct 2015 #76
Who knew "Europe" was a country? MADem Oct 2015 #98
So happy to see this! tinkerbelle Oct 2015 #5
OMG! Let's hope this is real and Mr. Snowden can reap some of the honors he deserves. erronis Oct 2015 #6
What criminal charges? 11cents Oct 2015 #7
Please see my post #24. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #26
My trust would be low. glinda Oct 2015 #65
"What criminal charges?" red dog 1 Oct 2015 #56
Next up, Julian Assange? erronis Oct 2015 #8
Allegations of crimes against women are different than espionage. They should never be swept under 24601 Oct 2015 #69
But getting a fair trial is still the same, right? erronis Oct 2015 #71
This is Sweden, not North Korea. I absolutely believe that a fair trial is exactly what Sweden 24601 Oct 2015 #74
Sounds good if he were actually charged with anything n/t lordsummerisle Oct 2015 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2015 #9
Maybe you know the answer. 11cents Oct 2015 #11
Immunity from extradition on espionage grounds related to his earlier revelations. closeupready Oct 2015 #17
Thanks. 11cents Oct 2015 #23
Very welcome. closeupready Oct 2015 #25
Thanks! Duval Oct 2015 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Oct 2015 #67
Individual countries, however, have extradition agreements with the U.S. onehandle Oct 2015 #12
True, but countries can apply exceptions to extraditions on a case by case basis. RichVRichV Oct 2015 #34
If that European country wants to burn relations with the U.S?... Sure.... Adrahil Oct 2015 #93
So the EU voted to drop the AMERICAN charges against Snowden? How kind of them. randome Oct 2015 #14
The headline is clumsily written. The report is informative. senz Oct 2015 #41
European countries are being encouraged or permitted to ignore requests for the JDPriestly Oct 2015 #48
Your comment doesn't make any sense . . . Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #95
Excellent. 840high Oct 2015 #15
Great! silenttigersong Oct 2015 #16
Any word from the Sanders or Clinton campaigns on this? jalan48 Oct 2015 #19
Judging by the comments here ... senz Oct 2015 #35
Good question! red dog 1 Oct 2015 #46
Perhaps justice will be served, at least in Europe. Scuba Oct 2015 #20
K/R Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #21
Great News. n/t zentrum Oct 2015 #22
The EU "asked member states to grant him protection from extradition to the US". George II Oct 2015 #29
I'd pretend my petulance is actually relevant too, had I said as much. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #30
Yayy!! eom Duval Oct 2015 #31
Good news! senz Oct 2015 #33
Europe is a continent not a country. Can a continent offer jwirr Oct 2015 #36
"Europe" is frequently used as shorthand for the EU n/t devils chaplain Oct 2015 #47
apparently they are recommending restorefreedom Oct 2015 #49
Okay that makes more sense. jwirr Oct 2015 #51
:) nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #53
EU has a parliament. NT. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #82
The right decision. Glad to hear it. eom NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #38
Excellent! hifiguy Oct 2015 #39
The authoritarians won't like this a bit. He dared call attention to the Emperor w/o clothing. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #42
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #44
That should piss off a few authoritarians malthaussen Oct 2015 #45
K&R red dog 1 Oct 2015 #50
Glad to hear it. CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #52
Judging by the vote Gman Oct 2015 #54
Good... Deuce Oct 2015 #55
BUT, BUT, SNOWWALD!!!! marym625 Oct 2015 #57
The EU is a tool of Putin. OnyxCollie Oct 2015 #62
i see what you did there.... KG Oct 2015 #96
The full resolution criticize more of US mass surveillance TomVilmer Oct 2015 #59
...! Important KoKo Oct 2015 #108
This post and all the threads are maximally illustrative mindwalker_i Oct 2015 #60
I noticed that too. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #90
Same team. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #100
In each case, they're defending the Democrat mindwalker_i Oct 2015 #112
I've observed the same thing. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #99
It was a close vote DaveT Oct 2015 #61
+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #101
"This is not a blow against the US Government, klook Oct 2015 #63
He's not protected in the real sense of the word. "...up to individual member states to implement ancianita Oct 2015 #64
Excellent. Many places for him to live a wonderful life. sinkingfeeling Oct 2015 #66
You left out the part of "non-binding resolution" Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #68
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the fuck is wrong with this nation 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #72
well said grasswire Oct 2015 #81
I would like to frame your response. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #102
Thank you. nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #110
Damn socialists! mhatrw Oct 2015 #77
KnR! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #78
...thus pissing off all the right people. L0oniX Oct 2015 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author goldent Oct 2015 #85
K&R avaistheone1 Oct 2015 #87
Excellent!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2015 #88
But, but... he had BOXES in his garage! Matariki Oct 2015 #89
Europe is so far ahead of us it is downright embarrassing. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #91
As long as it's not the US. stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #94
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #97
How long before a right wing TV or radio asshole says, Enthusiast Oct 2015 #103
Yay! Helen Borg Oct 2015 #104
Bravo! harun Oct 2015 #105
Well now that everyone has downed their shots, here's the chaser: Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #107
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #111
Just would like to silenttigersong Oct 2015 #113
Petty close vote. But still, good news. oldandhappy Oct 2015 #114
Snowden's only real hope is a Bernie presidency fbc Oct 2015 #116
Europe out Americas' America again. d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #117
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