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moriah

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86. Well, they changed their policy anyway, hopefully others will do the same.
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016

Last edited Sat May 14, 2016, 12:47 AM - Edit history (1)

Unfortunately like racism, sexism is hard to see or understand the impact of from the outside sometimes.

Even if that particular employer wasn't thinking how much more a woman walking in heels is perceived to be sexier, people have known for decades how much damage they can do long-term, especially when work daily for work vs being painful enough Friday out dancing. Just based on that alone, why require them for an office position at all?

But of course you know why it's questionable to say Fred Astaire was obviously a better dancer than Ginger Rogers -- after all, she did everything he did, except backwards and in high heels. The fact people didn't think about that sooner shows most of the time, a guy isn't looking at the shoes but the overall person, and isn't considering the impact when they see us in them. It's how privilege manifests -- the people who have it usually have no friggin' clue.

And that's not their fault. Few men have feet that fit their wives pumps, though, and as a result few have ever even tried to walk in the damn things. Let alone spent a 40-hour week wearing them on their feet. But when it was actually very appropriate to use very bad drag in a Halloween costume (it was a local online community's party and the parody was not of anyone with actual gender identity or sexual orientation differences but a very skilled, cis straight male troll who decided to use the fact 90s BBS call-back verification didn't require a voice verification to create a duplicate account impersonating a Pagan lesbian, who had at first been taken completely at his word, and stirred up tons of drama), I helped a male friend find stuff for his costume parodying the "Endora" fiasco at Goodwill, including dress shoes that fit him.

He won the costume contest, but as we were walking out he took those heels off and THREW them -- cussing about the damn things. Fortunately we were in a venue where the projectiles just landed on the lawn.

That requirement could be considered as discriminatory against women who have foot problems. KamaAina May 2016 #1
Very true. Delphinus May 2016 #2
Indeed. Igel May 2016 #36
Men are required to wear belts to hold their pants up TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #46
My wife has a bad case of plantar fasciitis KansDem May 2016 #5
Ouch! I get that a few times a year on both feet tom_kelly May 2016 #10
In the US I would absolutely make an ADA claim against that rule. Pacifist Patriot May 2016 #8
The UK has a similar law called the Disability Discrimination Act. KamaAina May 2016 #9
I'd apply that were I in the UK. Pacifist Patriot May 2016 #11
Exactly geardaddy May 2016 #12
I remember years ago, arikara May 2016 #3
Yes, it is the modern equivalent of foot binding geardaddy May 2016 #13
I have never heard a woman say anything good about high heels Jack Rabbit May 2016 #4
Yeah, I keep hoping someday somebody will explain the Blue_Tires May 2016 #42
Neckties are useless ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #59
i remember when drs. were trying to get those god awful shoes banned allan01 May 2016 #6
They should be banned on workplace dress codes Warpy May 2016 #14
Return in heels. jtuck004 May 2016 #7
DU gets upset about the stupidest shit. Offices have dress codes. closeupready May 2016 #15
Willy nilly? JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #17
Did you sign an employment agreement to comply with a 'must smoke' policy? closeupready May 2016 #20
You make a commitment, that's your decision. Igel May 2016 #35
And if those dress codes are injurious to the health of the worker, they need to be changed Warpy May 2016 #24
I don't wear heels anymore because my feet can't handle them. AngryOldDem May 2016 #80
How many days have you spent in 2-4 inch heels? moriah May 2016 #26
Would you sign off on the dress code as a condition of employment? closeupready May 2016 #27
I would have to let them know the dress code was impossible... moriah May 2016 #28
Personally I wouldn't TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #47
This is an illegal dress code, both in the US and the UK Yo_Mama May 2016 #39
She was sent to this office PasadenaTrudy May 2016 #54
I applied to temp at the self-monikered 'world's biggest temp agency' back closeupready May 2016 #71
Dress codes that require specific types of shoes can be unsafe to the employees. haele May 2016 #65
It's the sexism treestar May 2016 #77
Totally stupid but EdwardBernays May 2016 #16
Dress codes are only legally acceptable when they relate to a BFOQ TygrBright May 2016 #18
I don't think that's true EdwardBernays May 2016 #30
You're right, their policy is sexist. nt DLevine May 2016 #19
Which you know because you've seen their dress code policy? closeupready May 2016 #21
It's sexist because they don't require men to wear 2-4" heels. nt DLevine May 2016 #22
well... EdwardBernays May 2016 #23
Agreed, not all dress policies taking into account gender are sexist. DLevine May 2016 #25
hmm.. EdwardBernays May 2016 #29
I think we should probably consider... Pacifist Patriot May 2016 #60
again EdwardBernays May 2016 #62
WTF Skittles May 2016 #38
How is it EdwardBernays May 2016 #41
I consider it sexist because . .. reACTIONary May 2016 #43
Well... EdwardBernays May 2016 #49
Looking professional and trustworthy is not the same..... reACTIONary May 2016 #66
Again EdwardBernays May 2016 #67
I think your analysis is .... reACTIONary May 2016 #68
Attractive EdwardBernays May 2016 #72
In this context Attractve is a gender oriented term... reACTIONary May 2016 #74
Annnnyway EdwardBernays May 2016 #75
Bear in mind, in vulgar America, it's about sex or it's about nothing. closeupready May 2016 #78
That is true EdwardBernays May 2016 #83
LOL, old fashion policies . ... reACTIONary May 2016 #79
Often EdwardBernays May 2016 #82
No one "deliberately endangers staff" .... reACTIONary May 2016 #85
outdated and sexist EdwardBernays May 2016 #87
You are right, outdated and sexist.... reACTIONary May 2016 #89
To require that high of heel -- 2-4 inches... moriah May 2016 #45
I get all of that EdwardBernays May 2016 #48
What known health issues come from suits? Ties would be my bigger concern. moriah May 2016 #50
Health issues EdwardBernays May 2016 #52
But as far as dangers in high heels: moriah May 2016 #51
I'd say EdwardBernays May 2016 #53
When I worked running cable, I was in at least... moriah May 2016 #55
See the thing is EdwardBernays May 2016 #58
Well, they changed their policy anyway, hopefully others will do the same. moriah May 2016 #86
It is good EdwardBernays May 2016 #88
CEO said to wear 6in stilettos at home..... he looks fabulous Angry Dragon May 2016 #31
Ballet Heels and a Hobble Skirt? Kinky! One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #33
Does a 2in heel qualify as High? One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #32
Also depends what "on your feet means." Igel May 2016 #37
I couldn't walk across the room in 2" heels arikara May 2016 #40
Yes it does. Pacifist Patriot May 2016 #61
Curious as Men's heels are typically 1in One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #76
The heel height is also relevant to the height at the ball of the foot. Pacifist Patriot May 2016 #91
What next? Dress code demaning a push-up bra? no_hypocrisy May 2016 #34
No bra and a black thong. Oh and only white/sheer colors for the outer layers. MillennialDem May 2016 #57
she should sue them for discrimination trueblue2007 May 2016 #44
Ugh. 47of74 May 2016 #56
Part of the job may have been to distract the clients from business csziggy May 2016 #63
What needs to stop is the requirement for women to dress in order to please men. alarimer May 2016 #64
This is the basic issue... reACTIONary May 2016 #69
Update: firm changes policy,... reACTIONary May 2016 #70
Excellent outcome. Nye Bevan May 2016 #84
how exactly would wearing heels help you get ANY job done? yurbud May 2016 #73
They don't. AngryOldDem May 2016 #81
As a guy, rather than see them as attractive, it's a big red light saying "high maintenance" yurbud May 2016 #90
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