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16 Penn swimmers say transgender teammate Lia Thomas shouldn't be allowed to compete [View all] melm00se Feb 2022 OP

No surprise here. Casady1 Feb 2022 #1

I think they're right. Lia wasn't Olympic material when she was swimming as a male, . pnwmom Feb 2022 #2

I agree Mz Pip Feb 2022 #3

+1 LizBeth Feb 2022 #5

I'm with you for all the reasons you explained. likesmountains 52 Feb 2022 #6

I totally agree. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #7

Agree with pnwmom srose58089 Feb 2022 #10

Sometimes ideology makes us deny what is obvious before our eyes greenjar_01 Feb 2022 #14

This was eventually going to happen. LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #22

Another +1 n/t ChazII Feb 2022 #28

Well, when you put it that way... dchill Feb 2022 #34

forcing her out of the competition is just as bad as forcing her out of a women's restroom cadoman Feb 2022 #37

No, it's not comparable. Her using the women's bathroom doesn't prevent pnwmom Feb 2022 #39

her swimming in competition doesn't prevent other women from swimming either cadoman Feb 2022 #41

It prevents them from WINNING. pnwmom Feb 2022 #43

sports are about determining who is the best--including their physical gifts cadoman Feb 2022 #44

We have women's sports teams because in many sports, women would never qualify pnwmom Feb 2022 #45

Then you are for transwomen taking over women's sports? LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #47

To be "inclusive" is to overlook that...... BradAllison Feb 2022 #51

Everybody gets that this is parody, right? greenjar_01 Feb 2022 #52

By that logic cis men should be allowed to play womens sports. nt prodigitalson Feb 2022 #88

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Thank you for all you said and how you said it Hekate Feb 2022 #49

May I ask an honest question of you? moriah Feb 2022 #57

I haven't seen anything indicating that she was near the top before she began the hormones. pnwmom Feb 2022 #59

+1 /nt romana Feb 2022 #87

This is one of those arguments where I see both sides ... Hugh_Lebowski Feb 2022 #4

I have to agree William Seger Feb 2022 #9

As long as it doesn't validate trans people only having 50% gynecology or urology care coverage next FreepFryer Feb 2022 #8

Shouldn't be allowed to compete? Dr. Strange Feb 2022 #11

there are regulations that are not yet in place yet... JT45242 Feb 2022 #12

Your post effectively adds credence to the swimmers' position notKeith Feb 2022 #15

Spoken with brother in law -- fearful of potential responses JT45242 Feb 2022 #23

But it's not just about hormones. A person who goes through puberty as a male pnwmom Feb 2022 #19

Now the flood gates are open. LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #13

science is absolute catsudon Feb 2022 #16

Let's Hope RobinA Feb 2022 #64

Ranked #462 & then jump to #1 is obviously all the evidence needed. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #17

right, and in mmo/boxing catsudon Feb 2022 #20

If I remember right DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2022 #36

Link to the article in the Washington Post: mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2022 #18

We disc golf here and the same issue is happening concerning Baked Potato Feb 2022 #21

they should be afraid because they are bigots cadoman Feb 2022 #38

I think it is bigoted to hold onto a view that is clearly not black and white elias7 Feb 2022 #48

I have mixed emotions DownriverDem Feb 2022 #24

Check Post 2 upthread n/t PatrickforB Feb 2022 #26

She went through puberty as a male, and swam as a male for the first years in college. pnwmom Feb 2022 #30

Yes DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2022 #35

Should this affect any Title IX athletic scholarship she may receive? JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2022 #25

While anyone can decide what gender they are, Jetheels Feb 2022 #27

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Did she have the surgery to become physically a female or can she revert back to male at her conveni keithbvadu2 Feb 2022 #29

Whether or not she had "bottom surgery," no surgery could decrease the breadth of her shoulders, pnwmom Feb 2022 #31

Absolutely! keithbvadu2 Feb 2022 #32

A HEY LOOK SHINY OBJECT issue whistler162 Feb 2022 #33

It's not a trivial issue to the women on her team, or other serious women athletes pnwmom Feb 2022 #40

I think whistler understands that he has no coherent answer to this problem greenjar_01 Feb 2022 #53

There is a coherent answer. It just isn't one that checks the proper boxes. cinematicdiversions Feb 2022 #54

No the issue is that this is another whistler162 Feb 2022 #56

I realize that this isn't exactly on point, but there is a parallel here. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2022 #42

Yes, it's similar. Lia Thomas was ranked #462 when she was Will; but now she's #1, pnwmom Feb 2022 #46

I have wanted to see a woman player, in any sport, who was so dominant they could compete with the robbob Feb 2022 #63

The Billie Jean King/Bobby Riggs event Mr.Bill Feb 2022 #66

I know that! robbob Feb 2022 #67

The only sports, that I can see, where it would not matter... LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #58

There is actually a trans professional wrestler ripcord Feb 2022 #60

Well there ya go. LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #61

I remember when David Arquette won the belt way back when. LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #62

This is one of those situations with no "good" solution, unfortunately. Jedi Guy Feb 2022 #65

Some things to ponder... IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #68

Something else to now think about, and why I disbelieve many of you. IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #69

No one hates trans women cabot Feb 2022 #70

No, it's not hyperbole IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #71

I'd take that bet cabot Feb 2022 #72

Trans women are fighting for everything... And that includes fighting "our friends" on DU IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #75

This is Whataboutism at its finest Jose Garcia Feb 2022 #73

So is "If we let trans women into female restrooms, it'll be easier to sexually assault us!" IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #77

Washrooms cabot Feb 2022 #78

I don't think you care about fairness IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #79

I could say the same thing about you cabot Feb 2022 #83

No. YOU don't care about fairness... Or trans people IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #85

So you missed all the Valieva threads over the last week. Ace Rothstein Feb 2022 #74

Seen plenty of them... IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #76

That is a contemptuous statement cabot Feb 2022 #80

Okay, bigot IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #81

No, I don't cabot Feb 2022 #82

When do you listen to the concerns of the trans community?! IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2022 #86

It s/b up to the governing body for each sport. Oneironaut Feb 2022 #84