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the band leader

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41. The role of the militia is not to fight foreign wars
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 02:21 AM
Jul 2015

as evidenced by these words: Being necessary to the security of a free state. The role of the militia was and is to secure a state of freedom within the US. The right to keep and bear arms was therefore given to the militia to ensure a perpetual state of freedom.

Large standing armies were recognized as a necessary evil in times of war. They were, however, never intended to be indefinitely quartered within our borders during times of peace nor were they ever intended to replace the role of the civilian militia in any way.

This is, first and foremost, codified in the second amendment itself. What's more, language to this effect is further codified in numerous state constitutions. For example, in Ohio, my state, our constitution states: The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be kept up; and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.

and in Massachusetts: The people have a right to keep and to bear arms for the common defence. And as, in time of peace, armies are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be maintained without the consent of the legislature; and the military power shall always be held in an exact subordination to the civil authority, and be governed by it

And in Kansas: The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be tolerated, and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power

and In North Carolina: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; and, as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they shall not be maintained, and the military shall be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

South Carolina: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. As, in times of peace, armies are dangerous to liberty, they shall not be maintained without the consent of the General Assembly. The military power of the State shall always be held in subordination to the civil authority and be governed by it.

Vermont: That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State -- and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.

Virginia: That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.


What ought to be taken away from this is that large standing armies ought not be maintained in times of peace and ought not be justification for nullifying the right to keep and bear arms (as if there is any chance of that happening anyways).

In bad, bad need of revision to make it appropriate for today. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2015 #1
Thanks for the reply discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #3
Sure - it was written a few hundred years ago. Militia. Muskets. Totally different country NRaleighLiberal Jul 2015 #5
Interesting perspective discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #8
here's the other issue - differences of culture, opinions, backgrounds. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2015 #17
Some other thoughts discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #24
I've loved this exchange. thanks! if I don't learn something each day, I am disappointed. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2015 #29
Now if only I could have some fried green tomatoes discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #31
I beg to differ. Straw Man Jul 2015 #64
You can have guns rock Jul 2015 #2
Not just guns but "arms". n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #4
And what distinction are you trying to draw? rock Jul 2015 #11
Arms would not be guns when they were some other type of arm discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #14
Very neat! rock Jul 2015 #18
Sorry I don't throw cats discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #25
You left out Minuteman missles. TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #19
People do own tanks and heavy weapons. beevul Jul 2015 #22
I left out a lot but you get the idea discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #27
Black’s Law Dictionary according to discntnt_irny_srcsm (above) rock Jul 2015 #36
It's true discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #37
So the S.A.L.T. agreements were only about weapons a man can carry. TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #42
In the context of... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #49
Protects people's right to own muskets should a militia be needed to protect the U.S. ... Auggie Jul 2015 #6
Why the limit of the musket? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #9
I was wondering if... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #65
The precursor to the state National Guards n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #7
The Bill of Rights discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #10
Protection for the pre-existing individual right to own small arms, petronius Jul 2015 #12
Many people resist that idea discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #15
And there it is. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #56
A compromise WMDemocract Jul 2015 #13
As I recall it was a compromise and only 10 of the 12 proposed made it discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #32
I think the militia qualification was a "yes, and" and not an "only if" clause. HappyPlace Jul 2015 #16
That's how I read it as well, as far as plain English is concerned: the preface is petronius Jul 2015 #21
Good analogy! HappyPlace Jul 2015 #52
Agreed discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #48
The most misinterpreted Amendment in our Constitution randr Jul 2015 #20
Which is what? N/t beevul Jul 2015 #23
Read it--couldn't be more clear randr Jul 2015 #34
That tells me nothing about what you think it says. N/T beevul Jul 2015 #35
To paraphrase... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #47
That is correct randr Jul 2015 #50
I agree. The government needs the 2nd to fulfill its Article 1 obligations. And I have my own. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #66
Hear, hear! discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #67
i am pissed the WELL REGULATED IS ALWAYS FORGOTTEN. pansypoo53219 Jul 2015 #26
But it isn't TeddyR Jul 2015 #28
In North America in the last half of the 18th century... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #45
An anachronism Warpy Jul 2015 #30
The Constitution did not forbid standing armies and... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #33
"Should" and "ought" don't work in real life. Warpy Jul 2015 #39
You'd have to ask Teddy Roosevelt, his quote discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #43
He's dead. Warpy Jul 2015 #57
If you say so n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #59
Ouija board tell you that? melm00se Aug 2015 #70
The role of the militia is not to fight foreign wars the band leader Jul 2015 #41
Protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #38
The Second Amendment TeddyR Jul 2015 #40
Prohibits the government from infringing on the inherent and universal right of the people to be Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #44
That pretty much covers it discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #46
don't neccessarily see how 2nd means gun ownership for all w0nderer Jul 2015 #51
"let the flames and hiding this post commence" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #53
No flaming here. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #54
Welcome to GC & RKBA discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #55
thanks for the welcome w0nderer Jul 2015 #60
"also all for mental checks " beergood Aug 2015 #68
same thing that stops an army (or police) shrink w0nderer Aug 2015 #69
"notice i want training/organization" beergood Aug 2015 #71
The Constitution recognizes enumerated and non-enumerated individual rights. 2A is one... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #58
Its a restriction on governmental power, which protects rights... beevul Jul 2015 #61
Good one discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #62
Before anything else matters we need to be able to protect ourselves and families. ileus Jul 2015 #63
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