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benEzra

(12,148 posts)
16. Ummm, you realize that an actual Uzi submachinegun is $5,000 to $10,000
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:17 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:50 PM - Edit history (1)

for a civilian-transferable pre-'86 model, yes? They are exceedingly rare collector's items. An actual full auto civilian-transferable AK *starts* around $15,000, and they are even more rare. You have to get special authorization from the BATFE to own any automatic weapons (BATFE Form 4, which involves a very extensive background check, and your local chief law enforcement officer signs off on the application). Possession without a Form 4 gets you 10 years in Federal prison; they are as tightly controlled in this country as artillery and shoulder-fired missiles.

There are non-automatic civilian Uzi lookalikes, but they are high quality firearms that work like any other 9mm pistol (one shot at a time, and they fire from a closed bolt like a regular pistol).

There are civilian AK lookalikes, too---also non-automatic---but none have been imported from China since the early 1990s. All American-market AK's are quality firearms, and would cost more than mass-market AR's if they were made entirely in the U.S. at U.S. labor rates, since they require a lot of hand fitting.

The Chinese AK's were always regarded as nicer than most in terms of fit and finish. Even the Romanian AK's shoot well, though some of the early ones had cosmetic blemishes and the finish is typically more industrial than the nicer Chinese variants. I used to shoot a nice SAR-1 in local USPSA matches, and put a couple thousand rounds through it without a single failure of any kind.

The thing is, civilian Uzi lookalikes and civilian AK's are among the safest and least misused of all firearms, so the "safety" argument against them is bunk.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-20/table_20_murder_by_state_types_of_weapons_2013.xls

Hillary Clinton Talks Gun Policy [View all] SecularMotion Aug 2015 OP
Well, let's get specific HassleCat Aug 2015 #1
"3. Enact consumer protection legislation to protect people from cheap firearms" friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #2
Has there been a problem with cheap guns blowing up and hurting people? hack89 Aug 2015 #3
Comment on your comments discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #4
^^^ This pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #5
Subjective HassleCat Aug 2015 #10
are you sure you don't live in a SYG state? gejohnston Aug 2015 #13
Serious question: Do you know why SYG laws have been adopted? NT pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #18
I woud say blind fear HassleCat Aug 2015 #19
"I would say blind fear." pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #20
"If you have to ask what good that would do, you probably don't know..." beevul Aug 2015 #6
Post #1 was full of generalities, as apparently that poster doesn't want to be pinned down friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #7
So, I read number 3 as 'fuck poor people'. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #8
I have question gejohnston Aug 2015 #12
Ummm, you realize that an actual Uzi submachinegun is $5,000 to $10,000 benEzra Aug 2015 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #21
Like any professional politician, ManiacJoe Aug 2015 #9
I guess I touched a nerve HassleCat Aug 2015 #11
which is what he should have in the first place gejohnston Aug 2015 #14
I'm just playing know-it-all HassleCat Aug 2015 #15
What make/model AK, and how many rounds through it? benEzra Aug 2015 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #22
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