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20. The problem in Chicago is illegal guns and the warfare between drug gangs ...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:18 PM
Aug 2015

fighting over turf. More legal firearms might cause a slight decrease in violent crime but would have little or no effect on drive by shootings. Better enforcement of existing laws or the legalization of certain drugs might do more to stop gun violence in Chicago than disarming honest citizens.

Obviously if there were no civilian owned firearms, legal or illegal, there would be no gun violence. Unfortunately any attempt to confiscate all firearms in our nation might lead to even more violence than we have today as it could cause to a revolution that would split our nation down the middle in the end. At the least many otherwise honest and productive citizens would end up in prisons for simply refusing to turn their weapons over to the government.

Many states do allow open carry without significant problems. All states permit some form of concealed carry. How do you tell the difference between a person legally carrying a concealed firearm from a person intending to misuse it?

In passing while we do indeed have a gun violence problem in our nation it has decreased significantly since the mid 1990s despite the skyrocketing sale of firearms in the same time frame and the spread of laws permiting the legal carrying of firearms in public.

MAY 7, 2013
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Pace of Decline Slows in Past Decade


BY D’VERA COHN, PAUL TAYLOR, MARK HUGO LOPEZ, CATHERINE A. GALLAGHER, KIM PARKER AND KEVIN T. MAASS

National rates of gun homicide and other violent gun crimes are strikingly lower now than during their peak in the mid-1990s, paralleling a general decline in violent crime, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data. Beneath the long-term trend, though, are big differences by decade: Violence plunged through the 1990s, but has declined less dramatically since 2000.

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

Great questions liberal N proud Aug 2015 #1
Right away with the insults. GGJohn Aug 2015 #7
I don't believe you or the quoted one in the OP are serious. nt Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #13
Another special talent... liberal N proud Aug 2015 #16
You think that's special sarisataka Aug 2015 #18
A lot of experience judging from the "activist" visitors! Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #34
Some folks are just goofy turds. ileus Aug 2015 #2
If the guy who is intent on killing people has any smarts TexasProgresive Aug 2015 #3
Yes, some people are.... daleanime Aug 2015 #4
You must have some special talent liberal N proud Aug 2015 #9
Unlike the Controllers who just carry the default assumption everyone wears a black hat Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #14
Unlike those of us who don't have a special talent and can't be certain who is the bad guy liberal N proud Aug 2015 #15
Where I live lots of people carry, every day. No special talent required to not fear them. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #17
Until one of them loses it. liberal N proud Aug 2015 #19
Why would one of them "lose it"? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #24
Oh dear liberal N proud Aug 2015 #25
You seem upset others aren't sharing your delusions. Try to not "lose it." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #28
Excuse the intrusion discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #29
That pretty well explains why you lot want to stick it to everyone, rather than just the criminals. beevul Aug 2015 #23
And what "lot" would that be? liberal N proud Aug 2015 #26
So pre judging is bad ... except for you pre judging all gun owners - ironic, ain't it? DonP Aug 2015 #30
Since you just cleared the bases... beevul Aug 2015 #32
Sometimes the irony is so thick you need a bow saw to cut through it DonP Aug 2015 #33
WOW, I hadn't seen that. beevul Aug 2015 #35
Well that alerter is now out of the thread DonP Aug 2015 #36
That was a second alert on that same post?? beevul Aug 2015 #37
You don't by chance have the link to which post that alert was on do you? N/t beevul Aug 2015 #39
I see that now Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #38
In other news..."Socks Gone Wild"... beevul Aug 2015 #40
would not surprise me Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #42
Short lived. beevul Aug 2015 #43
They have been sarisataka Aug 2015 #44
I'm about 90 percent sure... beevul Aug 2015 #45
I don't doubt that you are correct sarisataka Aug 2015 #46
I see he is still whining to Skinner Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #59
Hates the 2nd amendment, not too keen on the 1st or 5th either DonP Aug 2015 #60
one word.... Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #61
NO - I was saying you can't tell which one is going to snap. liberal N proud Aug 2015 #41
Sure you were. Why you'd never stereotype or pre-judge gun owners, right? DonP Aug 2015 #47
I don't pre-judge anyone liberal N proud Aug 2015 #49
Sorry, yes you do, all the time DonP Aug 2015 #56
And yet we know, historically, how many do and do not 'snap'. beevul Aug 2015 #48
Don't put words in my mouth liberal N proud Aug 2015 #50
Don't I? beevul Aug 2015 #54
Starting to look like a stalker. liberal N proud Aug 2015 #55
I bet you say that to everyone you can't bully. beevul Aug 2015 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author liberal N proud Aug 2015 #27
It would seem to me that Chicago's gang culture is the problem hack89 Aug 2015 #5
my answers gejohnston Aug 2015 #6
I don't oppose gun laws sarisataka Aug 2015 #8
I still can't figure out where anti-gun folks get that virginia mountainman Aug 2015 #10
The questioner isn't "serious," he/she is just spewing the usual. Trash this. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author beevul Aug 2015 #12
The problem in Chicago is illegal guns and the warfare between drug gangs ... spin Aug 2015 #20
How do you tell the difference between a guy in a coat... krispos42 Aug 2015 #21
No joke....nt virginia mountainman Aug 2015 #31
So when do we get the serious questions? Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #22
I see that no one answered the Op's questions Buzz cook Aug 2015 #51
Post hoc ergo propter hoc branford Aug 2015 #53
Post Hoc doesn't quite fit. Buzz cook Aug 2015 #63
I offered sarisataka Aug 2015 #58
No you diverted and tried to shift the burden. Buzz cook Aug 2015 #62
I think if I am expected sarisataka Aug 2015 #64
I've had guns all my life. I have bought and sold guns all my life. juxtaposed Aug 2015 #52
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