Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Gun Control & RKBA

In reply to the discussion: whats your opinion? [View all]
 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
27. Now I know where to shop.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:05 PM
Mar 2016

The scenario we imagine when discussing the 'tyranny' element of the Second Amendment has happened. The specifics that come to mind are...

1. Gun confiscation after Hurricane Katrina

2. Inland checkpoints set up by Border Patrol within 100 miles of the Mexican and Canadian borders.

3. The heavily armed cops during Ferguson, many of whom pointed loaded ARs at civilians

Mind you... these were all done by officers/agents wearing law enforcement uniforms, not military uniforms.

The relatively few members of the military that are allowed - at all - to enforce laws on domestic soil (usually Army or Air National Guard) always do so as a subordinate command structure to (non military) law enforcement authorities - and only do so upon approval from the highest levels of government.

Local authorities can refuse to be aided by the military, in that case, the soldiers (or airmen) have no choice other than to pack their toys and go home. More often than not, the soldiers/airmen are unarmed and are performing search and rescue, medical or supply tasks only.

The stressful scenarios listed above had mixed outcomes:

In the case of the old lady who got a beat down, fighting back (or a family member doing so on her behalf) would have resulted in death.

In the case of the somewhat verbose college girl who got tasered in New York by Border Patrol agents, armed resistance would have resulted in death.

In the case of Ferguson, a group of Oath Keepers did, in effect offer armed resistance, and things went peacefully.

I summary, if you are going to offer resistance, be well organized, be clearly identified (signs, patches hats, etc) , keep your mouths shut, obey the law, represent the constitution, smile a lot and make friends with the locals. Offer to have a well-spoken representative meet with reporters. Have cameras around. Lots of them.

Finally.... if you are dealing with rogue law enforcement - it does happen (rogue military is a fantasy) you will probably not win out on the streets.

BUT YOU WILL HAVE YOUR DAY IN COURT. Live to see that day.


If you do all that, you can leave your weapons at home (which is what I heartily recommend in these instances)


It's called civil disobedience and it will always work.


whats your opinion? [View all] beergood Mar 2016 OP
You die TeddyR Mar 2016 #1
my point was beergood Mar 2016 #49
That's mighty big talk. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #52
"most disappear when it comes time to do the bleeding." beergood Mar 2016 #54
Oh TeddyR Mar 2016 #59
And where do you find this 'tyrannical government' COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #2
Here's a thought experiment. Straw Man Mar 2016 #4
So the answer is there is none. All the rest of the 2A COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #6
Myopic much? Straw Man Mar 2016 #7
I prefer to deal with real problems today COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #8
Chalk up another one ... Straw Man Mar 2016 #12
Keep standing tall and protecting us from the COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #13
When reasoned argument fails ... Straw Man Mar 2016 #14
It can't happen here beardown Mar 2016 #16
That's fascinating. I have family in Ukraine. COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #17
My co worker would disagree with you. beardown Mar 2016 #23
I hate to tell you this but if your co-worker and his family COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #28
Not just a few. beardown Mar 2016 #29
Trump is no Hitler. He is, however COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #30
We actually don't have any idea what Trump might turn out to be TeddyR Mar 2016 #60
Of course you are correct. It could *never* happen here. pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #32
In theory anything is 'possible' so no one can COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #37
When I saw Red Dawn, gejohnston Mar 2016 #38
It certainly did that. But I suppose it had to portray the COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #39
"But I really get a chuckle watching a bunch of overweight........" pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #42
No, but I do get a chuckle about people who spend COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #43
"No, but I do get a chuckle......." pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #44
Well, to be honest, no one asked you. COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #45
"Well, to be honest, no one asked you." pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #46
The scene outside of a recent Donald Trump rally sarisataka Mar 2016 #9
OK. And your point is what? That COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #11
Simply noting that sarisataka Mar 2016 #15
No one seeks to find tyrannical governments discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #48
That's a great post. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #55
Thanks, please do and make some of the needed corrections to the grammar. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #56
Check your inbox Sunday. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #57
thanks n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #58
Somebody will say Travis_0004 Mar 2016 #3
There is not one freedom we should give up just to feel good...that includes the 2A. ileus Mar 2016 #5
It isn't the army that an armed citizenry would be fighting. N/T beevul Mar 2016 #10
I consider that common argument, while largely true when applicable, to be irrelevant. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #18
"hello Vietnam" beergood Mar 2016 #50
"Outgunned:" Vietnam, Algeria, El Salvador, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam again, Cuba,... Eleanors38 Mar 2016 #19
my opinion is that: Big_Mike Mar 2016 #20
There is an old military adage GreydeeThos Mar 2016 #21
My opinion is that we should mail Dildos to these Ammosexual Losers. stone space Mar 2016 #22
It's sick and disturbing that you always associate sex with firearms Lurks Often Mar 2016 #24
Cost a small fortune in postage. stone space Mar 2016 #31
Typical non answer from you Lurks Often Mar 2016 #33
We won't let you destroy education in Iowa. (nt) stone space Mar 2016 #34
Here's hoping there will be campus carry in Iowa in 2016! Lurks Often Mar 2016 #35
More than likely there will be and there really is nothing you can do about it. eom. GGJohn Mar 2016 #36
Still waiting to hear how education was 'destroyed' in Utah, Washington, and Colorado friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #41
"We"? Was there a mouse in your pocket as you typed that? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #40
Post removed Post removed Feb 2021 #61
Great idea! It would be impressive to finally see a gun control fan actually DO something DonP Mar 2016 #25
Back so soon? sarisataka Mar 2016 #26
"My opinion is that we should mail Dildos to these Ammosexual Losers." beergood Mar 2016 #51
Now I know where to shop. CompanyFirstSergeant Mar 2016 #27
IMO .. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #47
thank you all beergood Mar 2016 #53
So we're back to talking about tyrannical governments, now that trump is out? Paladin Feb 2021 #62
Repeated use of vague innuendoes against a group you don't like speaks volumes, as well friendly_iconoclast Feb 2021 #63
This thread moved to the top because a troll kicked it. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2021 #64
Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Gun Control & RKBA»whats your opinion?»Reply #27