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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
8. re: "This bill might save as many as 10 lives a year!"
Sun Mar 14, 2021, 02:05 PM
Mar 2021

Last edited Mon Mar 15, 2021, 09:00 AM - Edit history (1)

Wrong. This bill would be useful cleaning up after my dog.

This notion and the kind of opposition and hate it will inspire is exactly the antithesis of the President's message of healing and working to fix what's gone wrong during the '45 years'. (And yes, those last 4 feel like they were 45 actual years. Hell this one last year feels like at least 20.)

I saw racism and unreasoned hate flourish. Economic life for the middle class was stagnating until a year ago. Many of those folks are now in line at food giveaways. We have a neighbor. She's a nurse, a single mom with 3 teenage boys. At least she was until the hospital's became flooded with folks dying of Covid and she had a breakdown and was unable to work. Now her landlord, a retired woman has to sell the property because our friend can't pay the rent on the house she's lived in for the last four years. Her boyfriend moved in and helped for a bit then he lost his job.

At this time our Senate majority is slim. Senator M of WV held up the American Rescue Plan and managed to kill the $400/week that might have helped my neighbor afford better... better than $100 less at least. The $300/week was due to run out days before the Plan became law with Biden's signature.

Today's priority isn't this ban. Today's priorities are keeping people from dying, getting them vaccinated, keeping them fed, protecting them from being homeless and finding them jobs.

I understand S. 736 is headed for committee before reaching the full Senate. Best case is that it dies there.

I said wrong to your guess that maybe 10 lives a year might be saved because passing economic measures that help folks RIGHT NOW is the priority. My wife isn't talking to several of her oldest friends because they supported 45. Two of our closest family friends are dead from Covid. Delays and hiccups in helping healthcare workers and facilities will cost lives. Delays with financial and job help will leave people homeless and hungry. Leaving people on the edge nervous, hopeless and worried is taking a toll.

The country has been wounded by Covid-19 and left with untreated and poorly treated wounds by 45. I've read that suicide rates are up in some places. I've read that the virus attacks African Americans and some other minorities more often and more severely than other groups. I don't know if 45 did more to prevent suicides by letting folks die of the virus or if the unemployment is lower than it would be because some of homeless and hopeless people killed themselves. Unemployment might be even higher than double what it was 14 months ago if so many people hadn't needlessly died.

As sick as I am of his supporters, they still vote and they have Senators and Representatives in Congress. IMNSHO, if the Party wants to take up another AWB it should happen, if at all, after we unseat a few more Republican Congress folk and not before. Sooner than that is just a well aimed shot at our own foot.

Democrats can address more than one issue at a time. TwilightZone Mar 2021 #1
As I mentioned in the post, there were 2 bills introduced on BGC krispos42 Mar 2021 #2
Yep empedocles Mar 2021 #4
*sigh* sarisataka Mar 2021 #3
Yet another bill based on "military" appearances MichMan Mar 2021 #5
Yeah, "they" are a real pain in the ass for you gun enthusiasts, aren't "they"? (nt) Paladin Mar 2021 #6
I'm not a gun enthusiast, but banning weapons based on appearances doesn't accomplish anything. MichMan Mar 2021 #7
Not true: it makes the self-righteous feel better, and gives the GOP a handy wedge issue friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #11
At least those left can be sure to pass the purity test discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2021 #12
These are neo-Puritans fighting what they regard as evil. Actual crime stats are almost irrelevant friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #13
To use a somewhat older meme: Got false consensus effect? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #9
re: "This bill might save as many as 10 lives a year!" discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2021 #8
The gun-averse have "learned nothing, and forgotten nothing" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #10
I really don't like the Nestle company discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2021 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2021 #16
Very well put. krispos42 Mar 2021 #42
I'm glad you and your family etc. are all okay discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2021 #53
Gun supporters need to just get over themselves. AndyS Mar 2021 #14
Personally, I believe your 10% number may be off, yagotme Mar 2021 #17
Gun controllers are every bit as puritanical as some of the various subgroups in the GOP friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #19
The old: yagotme Mar 2021 #36
"No more compromise" I was waiting for the "no loaf is better than half a loaf" crowd to show up friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #18
You can't argue with gun controllers more than any other fanatic The Mouth Mar 2021 #20
I appreciate your position krispos42 Mar 2021 #21
Really? That's the best ya' got? AndyS Mar 2021 #22
So rather than have the government confiscate all handguns, you would have them confiscate "only" Dial H For Hero Mar 2021 #23
No, buy backs. nt AndyS Mar 2021 #25
A mandatory "buy back" is, by definition, confiscation. Dial H For Hero Mar 2021 #27
As is eminent domain. So what? You have a point or just more AndyS Mar 2021 #28
You're advocating that the government consficate about 200 million firearms from private hands. Dial H For Hero Mar 2021 #29
First, not nearly that many. Only semi auto with AndyS Mar 2021 #30
I would estimate that roughly 75% of privately owned handguns are semiautomatics, and of those Dial H For Hero Mar 2021 #31
It's not personal. It's about numbers and the exaggerated AndyS Mar 2021 #32
"Take part or sit back and let people like me do it for you." Forced teaming? Really? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #33
"Take part or sit back and let people like me do it for you." There is a third alternative. Dial H For Hero Mar 2021 #34
Another high profile shooting in Atlanta today. AndyS Mar 2021 #35
Yes, committed supposedly with a revolver. yagotme Mar 2021 #37
So I guess those murders just don't count. Paladin Mar 2021 #38
People have been arguing that massive gun control is just around the corner for *decades*. Dial H For Hero Mar 2021 #39
"Talking points": The gun-control version of "Widespread voting fraud" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #40
The government can't "buy back" what it never owned in the first place. krispos42 Mar 2021 #43
You know you've won the argument (debate?) when one side resorts to niggling AndyS Mar 2021 #44
Says the person claiming confiscation isn't confiscation krispos42 Mar 2021 #46
Imminent domain. AndyS Mar 2021 #47
"For public use" would seem to be the operative words there krispos42 Mar 2021 #48
Really? You're still stuck on that upsetting Republican voters thing?🤡 AndyS Mar 2021 #49
Yup. Because, you see there's this funny thing where the party in power gets to do shit krispos42 Mar 2021 #52
So, what "public use" are the firearms subject to? yagotme Mar 2021 #50
So he's thinking buy backs discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2021 #26
You've declared "No more compromise" and "take 'em all, and round up the people that don't comply".. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2021 #24
If it's not a culture war, why are the guns most attacked the ones that cause the least harm? krispos42 Mar 2021 #41
More deflection I see. That's obviously all you have. AndyS Mar 2021 #45
Need to brush up on firearm history: yagotme Mar 2021 #51
Reality is not deflection, sorry krispos42 Mar 2021 #54
I give up trying to have a cogent conversation with you. AndyS Mar 2021 #55
So you're okay with the other parts of my post? krispos42 Mar 2021 #57
You're as good at deflection as Kellyanne Conway. AndyS Mar 2021 #58
You're as good at deflection as Kellyanne Conway. AndyS Mar 2021 #59
From the land of post hoc ergo propter hoc discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2021 #56
"re-defining suicide as something other than gun violence" EX500rider Mar 2021 #61
Eh? Straw Man Mar 2021 #62
"about close to 40,000 deaths" with most those being suicides of course.. EX500rider Mar 2021 #60
One thing I'll never understand about these bills ... Straw Man Mar 2021 #63
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