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In reply to the discussion: Would-be robber shot and killed by intended victim in west Houston, police say [View all]PTWB
(4,131 posts)68. Exception was your word.
When I'm engaging with someone I try to use the words they're using, in the context I think they're using them, so that we can have a meaningful discussion.
What I've written is that people's life experiences and physical attributes impact the statistical odds of a successful defensive encounter. You initially had difficulty accepting that statistics don't predict an individual's odds of success, but you did accept that in post #56 where you wrote:
but under most circumstances you have arguably a better possibility of success than the hypothetical 95 year old woman
Now, given that we've accepted that different people, with different levels of experience, training, life skills, athleticism, etc, will have different odds of successfully defending themselves, why would you then regress to your previous position in post #58?
You're trying to make your argument while avoiding hypothetical scenarios but given the rarity of gun violence and even rarer defensive gun uses, hypotheticals are a necessary evil. I've only personally been involved in one defensive gun use and I am unlikely to ever be in that same situation, or even a remotely similar situation, ever again.
We talk about hypothetical situations we can envision but they're based off real scenarios that can and do happen, like the ATM robbery, or the active shooter at the mall, or the home invasion. Despite the extremely low chance I will ever encounter something like one of those scenarios, they're still far more likely than encountering a similar scenario to what I faced in the previously mentioned defensive gun use and yet that actually happened.
All that is to say this: I would have been murdered or would have been gravely wounded if not for a firearm used defensively. I must already be an exception to your statistics.
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Would-be robber shot and killed by intended victim in west Houston, police say [View all]
PTWB
Jul 2022
OP
Exactly!! WWJD?? Most of these people are also religious. Killing someone for $100? That's insane
Pisces
Jul 2022
#2
Maybe, but I would hand that money over quick, not reach for a gun. I also give money to panhandlers
Pisces
Jul 2022
#6
So that's the standard you hold yourself to? Figures. Life's cheap for gunners. nt
AndyS
Jul 2022
#7
Proud of yersef, are ya'? Not sure what ya' mean about me determining society . . . nt
AndyS
Jul 2022
#13
It's a life. Sorry but 6 hours of work is not worth someone's life. I hope that person was going to
Pisces
Jul 2022
#9
Apples and oranges. We are discussing a life. In America life has no value unless you're a fetus.
Pisces
Jul 2022
#15
Assuming that someone who points a gun at you doesn't intend to shoot you...
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Jul 2022
#19
Again, fantasizing scenarios that justify killing a human over a few bucks. I'm gonna'
AndyS
Jul 2022
#30
I have not made anyone a hero. I have put human life above cash. You are on record for being
AndyS
Jul 2022
#33
"that needed to happen was to give the guy the money and nobody would die. "
oneshooter
Jul 2022
#66
It is not indisputable that resisting is a better course of action than not resisting.
AndyS
Jul 2022
#45
I've addressed the statistics being twisted in a separate post and will include the link
PTWB
Jul 2022
#82
See as an older woman I would be afraid that he would take my bank card, my car and then
flying_wahini
Jul 2022
#75