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krispos42

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59. My opinion on "gun culture"...
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 03:23 PM
Feb 2023

Last edited Sun Feb 12, 2023, 04:06 PM - Edit history (1)

...is that it scares non-gun-owning people who then seek to discourage this culture by regulating guns or types of guns into oblivion... which does generally work. It hasn't worked with recreational drugs, rap music, erotica (porn, if you prefer), death metal, etc. Yeah, there can be adjustments (anti-drunk-driving efforts are fairly successful) but there is about 30 to 40 percent of the country that will (legally) own guns, even if the types of guns are heavily restricted.

The increasing urbanization of America as well as advances in technology led to a shift in tastes for guns; people were buying guns for self-defense instead of hunting, probably fueled by the rising crime rates in the period from the 60's to about 1990. So the hunting-orientated bolt-action rifle was superseded by the tactically-orientated semi-automatic rifle.

Then there was a series of high-profile mass shootings and the associated nationwide saturation coverage. Satellite trucks and portable television cameras meant that a live feed from "Action News Team Whatever" was readily available to everybody with an ABC, CBS, or NBC local affiliate... and cable TV means even people living in rural areas had the images on their screens. What was a local tragedy became a national tragedy that garnered plenty of eyeballs and the associated ratings... as well as copycats.

Two California assemblymen decided the problem was military-looking guns so they decided to ban... whatever "military" looks like, I guess. New Jersey and Connecticut followed suit a couple of years later. Bill Clinton and the 1992 DNC decided this was a great idea, and made it a plank in the party's platform, where it has been ever since.

The idea was and is inherently stupid, of course, but Democrats were trying (in my opinion) to have what Republicans have a lot of: simplistic but reality-challenged messaging on a complex issue that gets out voters and wins elections. Republican examples include "abortion kills babies", "gays are recruiting your schoolkids", "drill baby drill", "build the wall", etc.

Naturally, it was a disaster for Democrats. Gun owners saw through the bullshit; they could still have AR-15s and AK-47s but they had to take off the features that made them "assault weapons". Things like a protruding pistol grip, or a buttstock quickly adjusted in length or folded up. AR-15 with pistol grip AND telescoping stock is an illegal assault weapon, AR-15 with pistol grip OR telescoping stock is a legal sporting weapon. And if you think I'm exaggerating...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban#Definition_of_assault_weapon

There were historic Congressional losses in 1994 (Newt Gingrinch) and the historically left-dominated House began to seesaw between Democrats and Republicans every couple of elections. Bush won election in Florida by 537 votes out of millions cast; 269 gun owners voting for Gore instead of Bush (or simply 538 not bothering to vote) gives Gore a victory and three SCOTUS justices. Trump lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton by nearly three million votes but perhaps 80,000 votes in three states, if they had gone to her, puts her in the White House and takes away Trump's SCOTUS picks.



Democrats generally refuse to admit it was a political mistake; the first thing that happens after a mass shooting (even one with handguns) is a new and expanded Federal AWB because it will "save lives"... somehow. Or "military weapons don't belong on the streets", even as tens of millions of civilians and most cops carry handguns that are (or were) issued by dozens of militaries around the world. For example, Glocks were originally made for the Austrian army and are now also the sidearm of choice of dozens of armies and thousands or tens of thousands of police forces.

Of course, assault-weapon bans have no effect on either the overall crime rate or on mass shootings. It's pretty obvious it was supposed to be a pandering response to those issue that opened the door for future gun restrictions. It was the equivalent of addressing highway fatalities by banning "assault cars"... cars that had after-market airfoils, extremely low-profile tires, tinted windows, or lowered suspensions.

Obviously, banning "assault cars" would do nothing statistically noticeable to the highway fatality rate, and banning "assault weapons" didn't do anything statistically noticeable to the murder rate. However when banning assault weapons doesn't do what the (usually Democratic) politicians promise, the result is, of course, an even STRICTER ban. Which of course feeds into the "Democrats are coming for your guns" talking point.

It isn't that much of a stretch to think of AWBs to be the perpetual excuse for more guns laws. They are the gift that keeps on giving if your ultimate goal is to make legal gun ownership a rarely-extended privilege instead of a civil right.

So a lot of gun owners have reacted to this by buying AR-15s and the like in states where they are legal. The media attention catapulted awareness of the AR-15 in particular to new heights, and it turns out that people like having AR-15s above and beyond simply "stigginit" to liberals. The rifle is reliable, accurate, comfortable, ergonomic, lightweight, and easy to customize with accessories and optics. It is also available in a variety of chamberings to broaden its appeal for hunting, competition, and self-defense.

Of course, some gun owners have gone as crazy FOR guns as some people have against guns, and have hyped themselves up into a religious frenzy of them, to the point that they pose on Facebook and Instagram with their guns and promising "Second Amendment solutions" to issues. Some of them, again, are also forming their own militias... the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers are two examples.

And with Republicans beating Democrats in the governor's mansions and legislatures across the country, concealed-carry of handguns has become far more widespread. States that didn't issue permits now issue them, states that did issue permits made it easier to get permits, and some states have gone to permitless carry.

As a result, handgun and rifle sales have soared, and threads of future bans only make them go higher. Ironically, the anti-gun faction of the DNC is boosting sales of the guns they most want to ban: handguns and tactical rifles.




I mean, look at the graph: shotgun sales are flat, rifle and handgun sales are up. Look especially at the runup to the 2016 election.

Yes, it's the guns. Lunabell Jan 2023 #1
I don't care if you place tight controls on access to guns Kaleva Jan 2023 #2
Three questions AndyS Jan 2023 #5
I think people need to get realistic about guns Kaleva Jan 2023 #9
Oh, I see. It was lack of training that killed 21 in an elementary school in AndyS Jan 2023 #14
Can you quote where I said lack of training killed 21 in Uvadle, TX? Kaleva Jan 2023 #18
Damn easy for you to say. (nt) Paladin Jan 2023 #20
Talk is easy. Action required effort. Kaleva Jan 2023 #29
Oh! gettin' tough are we! Ohhh, I'm so intimidated!! AndyS Jan 2023 #27
Your regtoric doesn't match your efforts. Kaleva Jan 2023 #28
Really? You come at me full frontal and then think you can just call AndyS Jan 2023 #30
You wrote the OP. I didn't. Kaleva Jan 2023 #31
No. I don't. Where's my apology? AndyS Jan 2023 #32
Why should I apologize? You haven't accomplished much by your own admission. Kaleva Jan 2023 #34
What have YOU done? I gave you a comprhensive list of my activities. AndyS Jan 2023 #35
Break it off, AndyS. Paladin Jan 2023 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Kaleva Jan 2023 #46
Common thread--they all got shot. lastlib Jan 2023 #45
As I said, I don't care if heavy restrictions are placed on guns Kaleva Jan 2023 #47
There is an issue with escalating homicides in this country krispos42 Jan 2023 #48
Welcome to America. SYFROYH Jan 2023 #3
Well, they shoot each other with guns. Guns have become easier to acquire AndyS Jan 2023 #7
Federal laws on buying new firearms are as strict as ever. SYFROYH Jan 2023 #8
I really don't like cut n paste replies but this one's best this way . . . AndyS Jan 2023 #12
I know. You want to ban all semi-auto rifles and handguns. SYFROYH Jan 2023 #13
So it's MY fault? AndyS Jan 2023 #15
Whenever you lead with gun bans, you will be rejected on all efforts. SYFROYH Jan 2023 #19
I had no idea that I, as the only one suggesting a ban on semi autos with removable magazines, AndyS Jan 2023 #22
Lots of things are popular krispos42 Jan 2023 #49
Sorry, this is incorrect: yagotme Feb 2023 #54
Oh please. We don't we don't buy by mail anymore. AndyS Feb 2023 #55
Let's get our info right, OK??? yagotme Feb 2023 #56
There isn't a point to miss. Good day Sir. AndyS Feb 2023 #57
Just a reminder, you were the one pointing out the points. yagotme Feb 2023 #58
Unstable people may be the killers but a society that shrugs rather than getting around to a fix ... sanatanadharma Jan 2023 #4
There are people that are mentally ill, disgruntled employees, racists, improperly doc03 Jan 2023 #6
I was in a gun store this week. GoldandSilver Jan 2023 #10
Guns for self-defense are, by definition, optimized to kill people. krispos42 Jan 2023 #51
So ... ancianita Jan 2023 #11
Thanks for writing . . . AndyS Jan 2023 #16
Thanks for your opinion. ancianita Jan 2023 #17
Not yet. nt AndyS Jan 2023 #23
Okay. Thanks. ancianita Jan 2023 #25
I'm sure the mass shootings aren't linked to any central AndyS Jan 2023 #26
Thank you. This is great information, and much appreciated. ancianita Jan 2023 #52
Suicide is a devastating side effect of Covid Throck Jan 2023 #33
The herd got thinned in 2020 thru 2022 krispos42 Jan 2023 #50
True. But I haven't heard anyone on DU explain it the way you have. So, thank you. ancianita Jan 2023 #53
My opinion on "gun culture"... krispos42 Feb 2023 #59
Wow, thank you for this wealth of info! I'm bookmarking. ancianita Feb 2023 #60
As always with these posts, my guns killed no one. Hangingon Jan 2023 #21
Yet . . . AndyS Jan 2023 #24
No, never will Hangingon Jan 2023 #36
Nice to be a time traveler and Omnipotent. How can you know? AndyS Jan 2023 #37
Well, in 81 years I have not gone off the deep end and rushed out to shoot people Hangingon Jan 2023 #38
Well, in 81 years I have not gone off the deep end and rushed out to shoot people Hangingon Jan 2023 #39
We are much alike, however AndyS Jan 2023 #40
I am not omnipotentand don't mean to imply that I am Hangingon Jan 2023 #41
Odds yes. But a gun in the home is a variable that homes without guns do not have. AndyS Jan 2023 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author AndyS Jan 2023 #43
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