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In reply to the discussion: What will happen when or if Illinois (and especially Chicago) are forced to allow shall issue CCW? [View all]TPaine7
(4,286 posts)4. I read the opinion, and to this layman it sounded like the court seriously disagreed with
NYC's "may issue":
The New York gun law upheld in Kachalsky, although
one of the nations most restrictive such laws (under
the laws proper cause standard, an applicant for a
gun permit must demonstrate a need for self-defense
greater than that of the general public, such as being
the target of personal threats, id. at *3, *8), is less restrictive
than Illinoiss law. Our principal reservation about
the Second Circuit s analy s i s (apart from
disagreement, unnecessary to bore the reader with,
with some of the historical analysis in the opinion
we regard the historical issues as settled by Heller)
is its suggestion that the Second Amendment should
have much greater scope inside the home than
outside simply because other provisions of the Constitution
have been held to make that distinction. For example,
the opinion states that in Lawrence v. Texas, the
[Supreme] Court emphasized that the states efforts to
regulate private sexual conduct between consenting adults
is especially suspect when it intrudes into the home.
2012 WL 5907502, at *9. Well of coursethe interest in
having sex inside ones home is much greater than
the interest in having sex on the sidewalk in front of
ones home. But the interest in self-protection is as great
outside as inside the home.
one of the nations most restrictive such laws (under
the laws proper cause standard, an applicant for a
gun permit must demonstrate a need for self-defense
greater than that of the general public, such as being
the target of personal threats, id. at *3, *8), is less restrictive
than Illinoiss law. Our principal reservation about
the Second Circuit s analy s i s (apart from
disagreement, unnecessary to bore the reader with,
with some of the historical analysis in the opinion
we regard the historical issues as settled by Heller)
is its suggestion that the Second Amendment should
have much greater scope inside the home than
outside simply because other provisions of the Constitution
have been held to make that distinction. For example,
the opinion states that in Lawrence v. Texas, the
[Supreme] Court emphasized that the states efforts to
regulate private sexual conduct between consenting adults
is especially suspect when it intrudes into the home.
2012 WL 5907502, at *9. Well of coursethe interest in
having sex inside ones home is much greater than
the interest in having sex on the sidewalk in front of
ones home. But the interest in self-protection is as great
outside as inside the home.
If the right exists outside the home just as certainly as it does inside the home, it's hard to see how "may issue" can survive. Guns inside the home are not "may issue."
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What will happen when or if Illinois (and especially Chicago) are forced to allow shall issue CCW? [View all]
TPaine7
Dec 2012
OP
They weren't ordered to craft 'shall-issue' legislation thought, right? My bet is that
petronius
Dec 2012
#1
I read the opinion, and to this layman it sounded like the court seriously disagreed with
TPaine7
Dec 2012
#4
The full text of the opinion with the Court's reasoning can be found here:
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#16
The opinion was written by Posner and the Court's reasoning includes this:
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#18
people that will be eligible for concealed handgun licenses aren't the ones
trouble.smith
Dec 2012
#10