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Stuckinthebush

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37. My agnosticism was the off ramp to atheism
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 10:34 AM
Apr 19

As a long time atheist who comes from a liberal Christian background, I started off with the agnostic label. As I got older I moved to the atheist label once I become much more comfortable with my position. Those brain connections regarding Yahweh were developed very early and they are always there taunting me, but after a while I became more comfortable saying to myself what I really didn't believe. So, for me the term agnostic was truly an off ramp to atheism both of which were used to indicate "I'm not one of the deity believers".

BUT

There are many who are just as convinced of the non-zero probability of a deity or deities. This leads to the logical statement that we can't really know and it is possible albeit highly improbable. The statement regarding the off ramp is rather condescending when applied globally so I won't do it - I use it just for me.

My three children were raised without the belief in a deity in a very Christo-centric part of the country - the Deep South. Even though they were bombarded by Christian thoughts and imagery all the time, it was not supported at home. In fact, critical thinking was supported. As adults now, they tell me that it is hard to even imagine a deity for them - certainly not a Christian deity. When pressed to identify themselves they laugh and one even says "well if I must I'm a humanist." To them saying that they are an atheist is akin to saying they are an aunicornist or an afairian (not to insult the believers of the fae out there). I guess there is a non-zero probability of the existence of unicorns or fairies so one could be a unicorn or fairy agnostic.

A question I have had given the experience with life long non-christians is if the terms we use (atheism and agnosticism) are needed because there are so many who have deconstructed their childhood imposed faith in a deitiy and/or because there are still so many in this world who actually still believe in such. We don't have the term aunicornist because that's just not an issue. The terms are used/developed as a way to differentiate from the norm. Perhaps some linguist out there can discuss the terms atheist and agnostic as signifiers for the signified concept of deities. Any Saussure scholars out there want to take a stab? I'm just a statistician so won't touch that semiotic concept any farther.

I reply to those pressuring me "None of the above." GreenWave Apr 17 #1
See that's where I get stuck FreeState Apr 17 #4
To wear the term Atheist is a commitment that some folks are afraid to make. Chainfire Apr 17 #2
I definitely get that FreeState Apr 17 #5
I absolutely don't believe there is a "god". I don't care if others do or don't believe. erronis Apr 17 #3
I generally don't care either FreeState Apr 17 #6
I err on the side of believing there is a god TexasDem69 Apr 17 #7
Pascal's wager never worked for me FreeState Apr 17 #9
I tend to look at it the other way. willamette Apr 17 #12
It's worse than that. Voltaire2 Apr 18 #14
When I became an atheist at 14 years old, I was very gung-oh about it and considered myselt to be a Militant Atheist. spike jones Apr 17 #8
I've always been under the impression that... Think. Again. Apr 17 #10
The agnostic position is that the question Voltaire2 Apr 18 #15
Yes, that's always been my impression. Think. Again. Apr 18 #16
Hold my beer, Agnostic Dear_Prudence Apr 17 #11
Claims about physical reality are not Voltaire2 Apr 18 #13
You write... Think. Again. Apr 18 #18
That position describes the basis of philosophical skepticism since descartes. Voltaire2 Apr 18 #20
Ok, so would that be an "Agnostic Theist"? Think. Again. Apr 18 #21
Ah I misunderstood your question. Voltaire2 Apr 18 #22
Ah, so Yes. Thanks! Think. Again. Apr 18 #23
Agnostic means you dont believe we can know IbogaProject Apr 18 #17
Yes, and only speaking for myself.... Think. Again. Apr 18 #19
I don't think you understand the meaning of "agnostic." Martin68 Apr 18 #24
A or not A in logic are the only options FreeState Apr 18 #25
Yes. But not all statements are 'logical propositions'. Voltaire2 Apr 18 #28
well then there's 3 distinct questions... Think. Again. Apr 18 #30
Whatever. You obviously have a strong opinion on the matter. Martin68 Apr 18 #34
I am a non practicing Christian because I don't want to be associated with the evangelical type of Christianity kimbutgar Apr 18 #26
The Christian religion is based on what many people came to believe two thousand years ago. Midnight Writer Apr 18 #27
My response is simple PJMcK Apr 18 #29
But the fact that our knowledge IS ever-expanding.... Think. Again. Apr 18 #32
Exactly so... CCExile Apr 19 #38
Agnostic Wifes husband Apr 18 #31
Well said. Think. Again. Apr 18 #33
i think i am a brownist. raised liberal lutheran. i read about them in a 1871 encyclopedia brittanica. pansypoo53219 Apr 19 #35
This is really all about interacting with other people and neither... NNadir Apr 19 #36
My agnosticism was the off ramp to atheism Stuckinthebush Apr 19 #37
I claim the label 'agnostic atheist' hurl Apr 19 #39
Your definition of gnostic is a big part of my definition of the terms wysimdnwyg Apr 19 #40
You are correct Farmer-Rick Apr 22 #41
You asked the wrong question. AZ8theist Apr 28 #42
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