2016 Postmortem

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43. I don't think a lot of people actually read

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Mon Aug 8, 2016, 12:45 PM

Aug 2016

his very rational and coherent post. A few see "Stein" and go into reactive mode.

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I don't like Jill Stein or support the Green "spoiler strategy" but let's be honest about it. [View all] Armstead Aug 2016 OP

Stick with the Bernie Sanders style of progressive thought OKNancy Aug 2016 #1

I'm a Bernie guy all the way -- Including his pragmatic realism Armstead Aug 2016 #6

One Thing Is For Sure...She's No Bernie Me. Aug 2016 #29

NO bravenak Aug 2016 #2

Agreed. metroins Aug 2016 #5

The last candidate they had was cray too bravenak Aug 2016 #7

Yup ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #14

Seriously bravenak Aug 2016 #17

Right? ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #28

Honestly. I think they just run to get attention at this point bravenak Aug 2016 #31

Agreed Gothmog Aug 2016 #93

^^^ THIS RIGHT HERE ^^^. I am so sick of Green shit being pushed on this site. Greens, Tarheel_Dem Aug 2016 #126

I agree! skylucy Aug 2016 #141

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2016 #132

Because of Nader and the Green party, we got W, Citizens United and the gutting of the VRA Gothmog Aug 2016 #3

Exactly, well said. Spazito Aug 2016 #8

No matter how many times that meme is repeated it still will not be true. n/t xocet Aug 2016 #69

+1 nt riderinthestorm Aug 2016 #87

Nader was key in giving Bush the 2000 victory Gothmog Aug 2016 #95

... intersectionality Aug 2016 #116

Nader is directly responsible for the loss of Section 5 of the VRA Gothmog Aug 2016 #119

This is a reactive sentiment and not a proactive sentiment intersectionality Aug 2016 #125

Nader& Greens gave us Bush...top of my lungs Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #129

"a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Donald Trump" sherlocksistah Aug 2016 #190

george bush won Florida by 537 votes. Nader got more than 97,000 votes, the majority of which.... George II Aug 2016 #183

More than 97,000 registered Democrats in Florida voted for Bush* and not Gore TransitJohn Aug 2016 #221

That doesn't make sense - we're talking about voters in Florida that voted for NADER! George II Aug 2016 #229

It makes sense, think about it. TransitJohn Aug 2016 #232

That's a bit of an stretch TexasBushwhacker Aug 2016 #70

Your analysis is totally wrong and sad. Gothmog Aug 2016 #82

BTW, I still remember when Rove financed Nader Gothmog Aug 2016 #83

Not when while you were president and your home state Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #131

Yawn. progressoid Aug 2016 #97

Lol, no way. Even Gore doesn't blame Nader for that debacle Arazi Aug 2016 #180

Gore made mistakes but that does not excuse Nader Gothmog Aug 2016 #235

+1000! DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #233

They are not progressive, they are regressive. JaneyVee Aug 2016 #4

+1,000,000 Democrats Ascendant Aug 2016 #102

^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #234

Greens should not be demonized, but Stein, absolutely. She equates Hillary and Trump as the same still_one Aug 2016 #9

She's a political chicken hawk sarge43 Aug 2016 #67

Can you explain to me exactly what the Greens stand for...not the paper platform but what they glennward Aug 2016 #75

I am not a green party member, I am a Democrat. I know nothing of what you are referring still_one Aug 2016 #86

I like your answer Armstead Aug 2016 #108

Wednesday November 9th JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #10

A party is shaped during elections Armstead Aug 2016 #111

Ahh - Jill Stein has made clear JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #123

Exactly right in your conclusion. maddiemom Aug 2016 #208

Everyone I know who fits your description *is* rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #11

Yes, let's be honest. Jill Stein and her supporters are either right-wingers or total idiots. DanTex Aug 2016 #12

I believe that you are correct. Wilms Aug 2016 #13

It shouldn't be courageous Armstead Aug 2016 #57

I'm not sure they heard you zipplewrath Aug 2016 #15

Wrong. This has noting to do with the primary which is over. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #35

"The enemy" zipplewrath Aug 2016 #37

The Greens and Jill Stein are the enemy Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #47

Not the people the OP was discussing zipplewrath Aug 2016 #58

"The enemy"-That is a very Palinesque thing to say. What is next "real Americans" versus fakes? n/t xocet Aug 2016 #73

That term always irks me also. Thank you. uppityperson Aug 2016 #120

No enemy is correct or if your prefer oponent. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #135

Opponent is a good term to use. And I agree with the body of your message. uppityperson Aug 2016 #136

Yeah right...that is an insult isn't it? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #134

I don't think a lot of people actually read PatSeg Aug 2016 #43

The rote responses are annoying. I wish folks would read what was posted. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2016 #89

It is like robots are commenting PatSeg Aug 2016 #105

Jill Stein IS a RWNJ! stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #16

Oh, just fucking NO. She's running against Hillary. She's helping Trump. Just fucking no. Squinch Aug 2016 #18

Bingo. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #22

1000+ Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #33

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2016 #133

"They can all drop dead." -- Just WOW. cprise Aug 2016 #189

Do you guess that? What makes you guess that? Because nothing in my post would lead Squinch Aug 2016 #193

Hysteria and evasion are not a good mix. eom cprise Aug 2016 #194

Pulling random stuff out of one's ass and pointing it at others is not a good practice. Squinch Aug 2016 #195

What's random? cprise Aug 2016 #197

Why no, I'm not. And is the opposition to Stein a problem for you? Squinch Aug 2016 #198

Well said. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #218

Greens and Dems have lots in common. Green Party members have been welcome @ DU emulatorloo Aug 2016 #19

That is not true. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #30

Well then those guys wouldn't be welcome at DU emulatorloo Aug 2016 #34

You can be a member of the green party Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #48

We agree emulatorloo Aug 2016 #49

She is not progressive but wacko Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #32

Everything you said PatSeg Aug 2016 #46

She's an awful representative of the Greens and progressiveness Armstead Aug 2016 #60

They have been welcome in the context of supporting Democrats and the nominee not to Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #137

We do not have much in common with the Greens Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #138

How can you take them seriously when we only hear about them every 4 year . . . brush Aug 2016 #20

Exactly- but building from the ground up is not something they can be bothered doing.... bettyellen Aug 2016 #40

Some can't be bothered with a quick check via google. Wilms Aug 2016 #65

After how many years they have zero influence in the house or senate? bettyellen Aug 2016 #85

North Korea doesn't like to put up with that kind of stuff either. Wilms Aug 2016 #96

Why not bring up Hitler too? We had many many candidates- they I have been winnowed down to two.... bettyellen Aug 2016 #107

People who understand our democracy disagree. Wilms Aug 2016 #109

Maybe you have forgotten that many of us could not vote in the USA and so appreciate the right to... bettyellen Aug 2016 #117

It's foremost on my mind. Wilms Aug 2016 #124

I wish more people cared about voting, but it's an uphill battle... bettyellen Aug 2016 #128

Where do they get their information? Wilms Aug 2016 #150

135 whole people. Why that's somehow like the 3 out of 30,000 Clinton emails that had . . . brush Aug 2016 #162

To me, what's getting blown up big is the reaction to Stein. Wilms Aug 2016 #166

You've got those numbers wrong. Johnson is, and has been polling twice what Stein is. brush Aug 2016 #168

I flipped the two numbers I saw in an RCP poll. Wilms Aug 2016 #170

Yes, I considered she won't get any Trump votes, that's the point. brush Aug 2016 #171

I really don't think she'll take many votes from Clinton. Wilms Aug 2016 #174

Your arguments are getting weaker by the post. brush Aug 2016 #181

Just your opinion. Wilms Aug 2016 #182

Just why are you pushing Stein on a Democratic site? brush Aug 2016 #185

Nice try. Wilms Aug 2016 #199

Just seems that way? brush Aug 2016 #200

Many people who have progressive views are similar to "moderate" voters Armstead Aug 2016 #78

I blame all the Dems who cannot be bothered- they have handed the house and senate to the GOP bettyellen Aug 2016 #88

Last time I looked the threat to Clinton is from Trump. Warren Stupidity Aug 2016 #21

You believe Stein is a "Bernie Surrogate"? She's nothing like Bernie. emulatorloo Aug 2016 #24

Ads running in swing states by Jill make her the enemy Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #25

Bernie supports Hillary metroins Aug 2016 #26

Why the defense of Jll Stein? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #23

Because there's a tone here that is disturbingly restrictive and.... Armstead Aug 2016 #54

Oh good god! Just stop it! The primaries are OVER! NurseJackie Aug 2016 #71

Thanks for illustrating my point Armstead Aug 2016 #74

You didn't have a point. Just an agenda. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #77

It's an "I support Hillary, but I still think we can do better in the long run" attitude Armstead Aug 2016 #80

In other words: "What? Who...me?" :-P NurseJackie Aug 2016 #118

Sorry that is not supporting the nominee but a backhanded attack. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #140

You're correct! In my opinion, it's all very intentional... and predictable, too. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #145

You confuse being anti-Green Party/Stein with being anti-progressive..imo. PragmaticLiberal Aug 2016 #106

Oh, he's not confused at all. It's all intentional, I assure you. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #130

Yeah, I know. PragmaticLiberal Aug 2016 #153

She actually would be way worse than Duke Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #139

Jill Stein and the Greens are our competition, not our friends. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #27

Personally, I've no need... LenaBaby61 Aug 2016 #36

I tell you what when I hear "green party" people say..."we need to teach america a lesson"...that beachbum bob Aug 2016 #38

Great post. I completely agree Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #41

It's this punitive behavior that attracted those who just want to burn it down.... bettyellen Aug 2016 #42

You're right...We do0 need people to set their egos aside Armstead Aug 2016 #56

As I constantly point out, it is they who failed to learn the lesson. sofa king Aug 2016 #64

you are so very right...I place the extreme left as no better beachbum bob Aug 2016 #143

Thanks for intellectually honest and well-penned post, Armstead. George Eliot Aug 2016 #39

This trashing of people is recent. Maybe the anonymity of the internet? George Eliot Aug 2016 #99

I know it hard to realize some friends have dumb ideas- punitive "burn it down" ideas that hurt the bettyellen Aug 2016 #44

Why Do I Dislike Stein? Orcrist Aug 2016 #45

I feel exactly the same way Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #50

She makes her living running for office, getting matching funds brush Aug 2016 #160

"Agent of a foreign power"? demwing Aug 2016 #206

honestly. Hiraeth Aug 2016 #51

Personally, I prefer to support Democrats. nt fleabiscuit Aug 2016 #52

The Greens gave us Bush, 2 wars, 9/11, the crash in 08 Gman Aug 2016 #53

That was the Supreme Court. Never blame voters for practicing democracy. George Eliot Aug 2016 #104

I would prefer we did not have Bush Gman Aug 2016 #196

No, they are not Democrats. They are the competition and should be treated as such. n/t Lil Missy Aug 2016 #55

Competition yes. Demons from hell....no. Armstead Aug 2016 #62

Stein is a Putin tool, not to mention an anti vax, anti wifi nutter workinclasszero Aug 2016 #59

Huh? fleabiscuit Aug 2016 #61

Jill Stein is trying to help Trump beat Hillary. And she's gone to Russia to expound on her ideas pnwmom Aug 2016 #63

------------------------------------- Armstead Aug 2016 #66

It's not politically wise to accept such invitations from groups that might be controversial if.... Armstead Aug 2016 #101

Whether they or their policies are taken seriously is really up to them. BzaDem Aug 2016 #68

"green voters" at5re individuals, just like Democrats are Armstead Aug 2016 #72

You are assuming that making such reforms possible is actually going to change voting behavior. BzaDem Aug 2016 #81

The GOP doesn't think that way, and they eitehr get what they want or... Armstead Aug 2016 #156

Marlarky Orcrist Aug 2016 #84

such good points. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #142

Can you explain this... liberal N proud Aug 2016 #76

Not that they had any credibility to begin with, but AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #79

The Green party needs to get its shit together. apnu Aug 2016 #90

But the Green Party are spoilers. bananakabob Aug 2016 #91

When the Greens start (a) criticizing the Republicans at least as much as they criticize Democrats geek tragedy Aug 2016 #92

When they say they'll vote for tRump... SHRED Aug 2016 #94

I agree with that. It IS crazy to vote for Trump. Armstead Aug 2016 #103

Yeah I thought about that after I posted SHRED Aug 2016 #164

Why do I only hear about Stein on DU??? Democrats Ascendant Aug 2016 #98

Ugh all she does is try to pander LostinRed Aug 2016 #100

Good try Armstead but I don't think the Greens can be discussed rationally here. riderinthestorm Aug 2016 #110

I's rather not see them discussed at all....at least during this election Armstead Aug 2016 #113

Yes for many it's clearly an attack on progressives under cover of attacking Greens. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2016 #115

The primary is over this is an untrue post at best and divisive Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #146

There are plenty of progressives who aren't in love with Stein emulatorloo Aug 2016 #148

Hillary supporters are progressive. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #154

100% true. There's plenty of greens who don't love Stein either Arazi Aug 2016 #157

My "diagnosis" of DU today. Not healed from Primary Wars 2016. emulatorloo Aug 2016 #165

It's obvious JPR's getting trolled. Arazi Aug 2016 #179

def sick of hearing about it here emulatorloo Aug 2016 #184

DU's obsessed with them Arazi Aug 2016 #187

And vice versa lol emulatorloo Aug 2016 #201

You articulated well...I hope your Pollyanna Optimist view is correct Armstead Aug 2016 #202

I have noticed that myself. nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #158

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #112

Maybe you should find a different website to pass your time. This one is for Democrats. n/t Lil Missy Aug 2016 #114

Obviously, some folks are just TOO obvious in their intentions. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #121

This is a reasonable attitude and at least partly true. Orsino Aug 2016 #122

They won't help and never do...and if they won't support our nominee Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #147

What about down-ballot candidates? Gore1FL Aug 2016 #159

The excuse to unleash the Hillary hater Greens on DU Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #226

That isn't what I am suggesting Gore1FL Aug 2016 #231

I don't know how you concluded that. Orsino Aug 2016 #220

I am not a we with Greens. And I don't care what they do in general Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #227

That has nothing to do, though, with the question... Orsino Aug 2016 #228

This message was self-deleted by its author Turn CO Blue Aug 2016 #127

Clinton campaign is 100% focused on Trump. emulatorloo Aug 2016 #144

demonize??? give me a break...I don't need extremist wishing to teach america a lesson....demonize? beachbum bob Aug 2016 #149

I got news for ya.... Armstead Aug 2016 #151

So what the hell is the reason for this OP then? brush Aug 2016 #161

500+ nader voters in Florida did... beachbum bob Aug 2016 #163

If it's that close this year...Democrats have bigger things to worry about than the Greens Armstead Aug 2016 #205

Fuck the Greens, vote Democratic and keep that lunatic out of the White House, their enablers!!! FreeStateDemocrat Aug 2016 #152

Keep their enablers out of the white house Capt. Obvious Aug 2016 #222

Your typical male lancer78 Aug 2016 #155

FUCK EVERY GREEN OUT THERE!!!! MohRokTah Aug 2016 #167

BTW, I thought you "lost interest in the General Election"? MohRokTah Aug 2016 #169

Good catch bravenak Aug 2016 #175

Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Aug 2016 #176

Jesus H. Christ. n/t VOX Aug 2016 #192

I have to a large extent Armstead Aug 2016 #204

"Yes I've posted on JPR occasionally." MohRokTah Aug 2016 #207

And one of my my best friend in the world is a right-wing Republican Christian fundamentalist. Armstead Aug 2016 #209

"BIG FUCKING DEAL" MohRokTah Aug 2016 #210

Rigid people bore me Armstead Aug 2016 #211

And yet,... MohRokTah Aug 2016 #212

I see the issue the same way you do. I'd rather have them in the tent pissing out than outside the Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #172

Good points...I think people should take a 3D look at it Armstead Aug 2016 #203

Nope. I've almost never talked to a Green Party backer who was halfway rational. Zynx Aug 2016 #173

"(they also think there is no chance Trump is going to win either)." KMOD Aug 2016 #177

How does rejection of people who vow never to vote Democratic "narrow" the spectrum? Cary Aug 2016 #178

One might ask WHY people are so estranged from a party.... Armstead Aug 2016 #214

Unlike Republicans, the Democratic establishment is about as close to our base as it can be Cary Aug 2016 #215

That's too much of a generaliation Armstead Aug 2016 #217

There is no baby in the bathwater, just a hypocritical turd. D23MIURG23 Aug 2016 #186

Privatize Everything = Purism cprise Aug 2016 #188

Sorry, but NO. It comes down to Trump & the Supreme Court... VOX Aug 2016 #191

Fuck Stein, Fuck Nadar, Fuck Narcissists. we can do it Aug 2016 #213

Jill Stein is trying to pull a Nader by running virulently anti-Clinton ads in SWING STATES. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #216

The real opposition is anyone running hate ads and pushing dangerous propaganda. Fuck Stein. n/t JTFrog Aug 2016 #219

I'm sorry, but I can't agree to that nonsense. kcr Aug 2016 #223

I am sick and tired of the Stein apologists CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #224

This message was self-deleted by its author Kashkakat v.2.0 Aug 2016 #225

Whether people "agree" is irrelevant BainsBane Aug 2016 #230