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cali

(114,904 posts) Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:17 AM Aug 2015

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There are only 3 reasons to have voted for the IWR. They are all contemptible [View all]

1) You were so stupid that you trusted Bush Cheney enough to hand them a blank check to go to war.

2) For whatever reasons, you wanted a war with Iraq.

3) Political expediency. You thought voting yes would be better for your political career.

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There are only 3 reasons to have voted for the IWR. They are all contemptible [View all] cali Aug 2015 OP

This isn't right. Scuba Aug 2015 #1

I rec'ed it again for ya! Bubzer Aug 2015 #141

For every Democrat who voted, see #3... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #155

"I knew then that I could not trust such a deception thereafter." Scuba Aug 2015 #156

K n R mylye2222 Aug 2015 #2

Yep 840high Aug 2015 #101

+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #116

I thought so at the time. LWolf Aug 2015 #3

# 3 all the way around. Autumn Aug 2015 #4

Al Gore warned against it and this USA Today article supports your contention. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #134

So Andy823 Aug 2015 #5

In the primaries? NO. In the general, yes, because 1monster Aug 2015 #7

I voted for Kerry, and I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary if she's the Democratic candidate. Scuba Aug 2015 #8

This ^^^^ ctsnowman Aug 2015 #10

Kerry did spoke against Iraq invasion before that vote. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #11

oh god. even I here in the boondocks knew what this was. how can ANYONE get a pass or be roguevalley Aug 2015 #15

Edwards also voted for it. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #17

they all deserve backlash. All of them. roguevalley Aug 2015 #52

no pass. no excuse cali Aug 2015 #21

that is exactly what Clinton did dsc Aug 2015 #45

Do you know that people who like Kerry also like mylye2222 Aug 2015 #49

from where I stand if you have a bunch of people who all did x dsc Aug 2015 #62

Keep on false raccourcis. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #71

I think the only body parts and fluids on the minds of critics of the Iraq War were.... Armstead Aug 2015 #93

Do I understand your post to say that Elizabeth Warrren voted on the IWR? JDPriestly Aug 2015 #73

I was reffering to the accusations of sexism. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #74

So this is about "genitals". Thanks for clearing that up. marble falls Aug 2015 #147

I'm not the one who literally said dsc Aug 2015 #149

The real problem is that although JK inititally mylye2222 Aug 2015 #151

the fact is Kerry voted for it dsc Aug 2015 #152

You. Are. Ridiculous. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #153

Isn't that just like John Kerry. bvar22 Aug 2015 #124

John Kerry arikara Aug 2015 #138

I agree with you Andy823 Aug 2015 #13

I have no problem with DU members (or others) pointing out the flaws in our candidates. Scuba Aug 2015 #16

It's gone far beyond pointing out flaws Andy823 Aug 2015 #23

She's the frontrunner. If she can't stand the heat she's welcome to get out of the kitchen. Scuba Aug 2015 #26

What has that got to do with Andy823 Aug 2015 #77

It's a discussion board. People enjoy discussing politics, including things that have been ... Scuba Aug 2015 #92

I also tire of the daily red scare McCarthyism on DU. PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #22

Really? Andy823 Aug 2015 #25

lol. PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #29

+1 BeanMusical Aug 2015 #38

+ another 1 Thank you for the links n/t jtuck004 Aug 2015 #51

And...that's why I won't be voting for Mrs. Clinton Doctor_J Aug 2015 #136

Thanks you Andy and amen! Not a Clinton fan MsMAC Aug 2015 #66

Ignore user. Keyword hide. Trash thread. Skinner & Crew have provided us... SMC22307 Aug 2015 #99

Bring it up a million times? bvar22 Aug 2015 #157

You got that right...I think Hillary was wrong to vote for the IWR on all three counts. No excuse for it. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #78

I don't think you're going to have to hold your nose this time. The people will decide this time sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #105

I hope you're correct, but the way the DNC has rigged the systems troubles me greatly. Scuba Aug 2015 #110

True, but this time, look how much flack they are getting. Remember when Kucinich was running sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #111

I think Bernie has a better chance of winning the GE than Hillary. And it's my opinion that ... Scuba Aug 2015 #112

I agree, on both counts. nt truebluegreen Aug 2015 #126

+1 Bubzer Aug 2015 #142

They were all in #3. Wanted to look hawkish to combat the Dem weak-on-defense rap for their TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #9

yes, or voted for Kerry and I'll vote for clinton cali Aug 2015 #20

The day befor the vote I called Kennedy and Kerry's offices Armstead Aug 2015 #33

No and Yes Martin Eden Aug 2015 #68

Obviously wrong now, but some thought it would strengthen Prez's hand & would not lead to invasion. Hoyt Aug 2015 #6

Important point. And many at the time who voted yes said as much. nt wiggs Aug 2015 #18

obviously wrong then cali Aug 2015 #24

A No vote was not the "easy way out." Armstead Aug 2015 #35

No one voted on war, as a matter of fact, they all stated opposition to war. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #12

utter bullshit cali Aug 2015 #27

Now one of the qualifications to be elected to Congress is being clairvoyant? George II Aug 2015 #107

Funny. I knew not to vote for it. Hissyspit Aug 2015 #130

This one short post of yours contains 4 errors of fact... Old Crow Aug 2015 #34

Meaning there probably isn't even a single error of fact. George II Aug 2015 #109

Eh, suspect that poster is a deep Sandersnista mole Fumesucker Aug 2015 #146

Joint Resolution To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq . whopis01 Aug 2015 #37

+1. cali Aug 2015 #39

I'm against war But I'm going to give George Bush, GEORGE BUSH, my blessing to wage it Armstead Aug 2015 #48

It is my sad duty to inform you that you are suffering from contrarianism. sibelian Aug 2015 #98

the name of the bill was Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.... mike_c Aug 2015 #117

cali scores again roguevalley Aug 2015 #14

I always found it strange SHRED Aug 2015 #19

It was known that it would create this mess since the 1st Gulf War BeanMusical Aug 2015 #41

Yes hibbing Aug 2015 #42

Total K & R SoapBox Aug 2015 #28

Misrepresentation is also contemptible. <nt> oasis Aug 2015 #30

if you think I'm misrepresenting something, exactly what is it? cali Aug 2015 #40

i agree. a whole lot of history and discussion left out. this is one i do not even bother with on seabeyond Aug 2015 #60

We needed leadership on that vote. We didn't get it. I was disgusted and furious at everyone who Hissyspit Aug 2015 #128

i understand. though i disagree. what would have been in losing the senate and house seats. seabeyond Aug 2015 #129

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #140

Sorry. I was disgusted and furious when this happened. At everyone. Hissyspit Aug 2015 #127

In matters of conscience, the law of majority has no place. Gandhi Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #31

+1000 BeanMusical Aug 2015 #44

Close Depaysement Aug 2015 #50

A solid hit Cali Hydra Aug 2015 #32

If HRH becomes POTUS, there will be hifiguy Aug 2015 #58

If I had to assign a reason for Clinton's vote, I'd go with number 3, and quite possibly number 2 PatrickforO Aug 2015 #36

As someone here explained it a while back... Lancero Aug 2015 #43

Kick and R BeanMusical Aug 2015 #46

Number 3 Applies To Some Well Known Politicians cantbeserious Aug 2015 #47

Yes. They feared the war would go quickly and that their "no" votes would be used against them RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #56

The very definition of self-serving hifiguy Aug 2015 #61

Translation: hifiguy Aug 2015 #53

Your number 2 is actually 'whatever-many' reasons. HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #54

you are wrong. there are other reasons, but then one would have to not have agenda and an ability seabeyond Aug 2015 #55

"I am not getting into this." Lemme guess... RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #59

i would never and have never had this conversation on du. this one, it is like talking to the seabeyond Aug 2015 #63

Blammo. hifiguy Aug 2015 #65

Your secret reasons are like Trumps secret plans "trust me it's wicked smart" Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #72

thre is nothing secret about my reason, just not a conducive conversation to be had on du. seabeyond Aug 2015 #83

'Not secret I just won't tell you." - classic! Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #86

i wont bother cause it is a waste of time. i do not know why it is so challenging for you to seabeyond Aug 2015 #89

Yet posting about it isn't a waste of time, just posting about the specifics. Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #96

it's like the text of the TPP, huh? mike_c Aug 2015 #119

you can read my other posts as we pretend of this game, secret. but why bother, right? seabeyond Aug 2015 #120

^^^This^^^ beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #122

This comment seems full of passive aggressive condescension and false superiority. Bubzer Aug 2015 #144

You could have shortened this one up into just one sentence GitRDun Aug 2015 #57

News flash: The people who died because of that vote haven't come back from the dead RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #67

Lol and you think ANYONE on a Democratic web site doesn't know that? GitRDun Aug 2015 #70

We always seem to have money for war. RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #75

Good job Rufus you proved my point GitRDun Aug 2015 #80

A Hillary supporter has been arguing for a 4th reason: Martin Eden Aug 2015 #64

That argument is EASILY one of the hifiguy Aug 2015 #69

I think that's just another variant of #3.... mike_c Aug 2015 #121

A majority of members of Congress from NYC voted no jfern Aug 2015 #125

Hmm. davidthegnome Aug 2015 #76

Thank you for your very thoughtful answer to the OP. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #82

No. Some of the largest demonstrations IN HISTORY were mounted against the Iraq war. delrem Aug 2015 #143

I know how big the demonstrations were. davidthegnome Aug 2015 #154

bullshit. Hillary Rodham Clinton knew it was a lie. delrem Aug 2015 #158

I don't know about her specifically. davidthegnome Aug 2015 #159

Wrong. And this is why Senators Kerry, Biden, and Clinton, among other Democrats, pnwmom Aug 2015 #79

most dems voted.against it cali Aug 2015 #90

That's true. Most Dems knew that there would be just enough votes to allow for its passage. pnwmom Aug 2015 #91

Your contempt is noted... LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #81

4) To put pressure on Saddam to ensure he let the inspectors back in. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #84

You mean 4. Taking Bush's assessment re: inspection over Hans Blix's. Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #88

Except your time line is wrong. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #150

More dumpster diving postatomic Aug 2015 #85

No. 2 has a lot of subparts nt Depaysement Aug 2015 #87

Hillary Clinton's foreign policy from 2014: neverforget Aug 2015 #94

These OPs aren't logical, and really are a form of "bash and trash" baiting... Sancho Aug 2015 #95

Patrick Leahy repeatedly warned it was a blank check. cali Aug 2015 #97

Again, not logical.... Sancho Aug 2015 #100

That is an intelligent and well though out reply ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #102

Excellent response - stripped the rhetoric away to expose the substance and reality. Thanks! George II Aug 2015 #108

A good post, researched and easy to read. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #115

Great post. THIS should be the thread topic, not the simplistic one we have. (NT) PBass Aug 2015 #132

4) To give Bush authorization not expecting he'd actually use it. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #103

Or, you could have been drunk or incompetent, which covers about 50% of Republicans. GoneFishin Aug 2015 #104

Being stupid is "contemptable"? George II Aug 2015 #106

two out of my three representatives voted 'no'. :) NuttyFluffers Aug 2015 #113

I'd like to modify your reasons to better reflect their reality.... mike_c Aug 2015 #114

IWR was just showbiz reddread Aug 2015 #118

they'd been waiting for this for over a decade MisterP Aug 2015 #145

do you suppose the interlude was meant to get GHWB reelected? reddread Aug 2015 #148

She didn't even bother to read the intelligence report jfern Aug 2015 #123

Here's another good reason: PBass Aug 2015 #131

You don't get it. BlueStateLib Aug 2015 #133

Absolutely! marym625 Aug 2015 #135

Cali nails it again! Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #137

Those Clinton "increasing negatives"... cprise Aug 2015 #139