2016 Postmortem

delrem

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143. No. Some of the largest demonstrations IN HISTORY were mounted against the Iraq war.

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:57 AM

Aug 2015

The opposition was WORLD WIDE.

Everyone with any conscience at all knew the war was coming, and that it was WRONG. It was ILLEGAL. It was BASED IN LIES.

Don't you try to re-write history and pretend that all of us who were aghast at what was happening, what was about to happen, the sheer depravity of it, didn't exist. Don't exist. Just because you happened to be clueless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_15,_2003_anti-war_protest

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There are only 3 reasons to have voted for the IWR. They are all contemptible [View all] cali Aug 2015 OP

This isn't right. Scuba Aug 2015 #1

I rec'ed it again for ya! Bubzer Aug 2015 #141

For every Democrat who voted, see #3... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #155

"I knew then that I could not trust such a deception thereafter." Scuba Aug 2015 #156

K n R mylye2222 Aug 2015 #2

Yep 840high Aug 2015 #101

+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #116

I thought so at the time. LWolf Aug 2015 #3

# 3 all the way around. Autumn Aug 2015 #4

Al Gore warned against it and this USA Today article supports your contention. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #134

So Andy823 Aug 2015 #5

In the primaries? NO. In the general, yes, because 1monster Aug 2015 #7

I voted for Kerry, and I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary if she's the Democratic candidate. Scuba Aug 2015 #8

This ^^^^ ctsnowman Aug 2015 #10

Kerry did spoke against Iraq invasion before that vote. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #11

oh god. even I here in the boondocks knew what this was. how can ANYONE get a pass or be roguevalley Aug 2015 #15

Edwards also voted for it. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #17

they all deserve backlash. All of them. roguevalley Aug 2015 #52

no pass. no excuse cali Aug 2015 #21

that is exactly what Clinton did dsc Aug 2015 #45

Do you know that people who like Kerry also like mylye2222 Aug 2015 #49

from where I stand if you have a bunch of people who all did x dsc Aug 2015 #62

Keep on false raccourcis. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #71

I think the only body parts and fluids on the minds of critics of the Iraq War were.... Armstead Aug 2015 #93

Do I understand your post to say that Elizabeth Warrren voted on the IWR? JDPriestly Aug 2015 #73

I was reffering to the accusations of sexism. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #74

So this is about "genitals". Thanks for clearing that up. marble falls Aug 2015 #147

I'm not the one who literally said dsc Aug 2015 #149

The real problem is that although JK inititally mylye2222 Aug 2015 #151

the fact is Kerry voted for it dsc Aug 2015 #152

You. Are. Ridiculous. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #153

Isn't that just like John Kerry. bvar22 Aug 2015 #124

John Kerry arikara Aug 2015 #138

I agree with you Andy823 Aug 2015 #13

I have no problem with DU members (or others) pointing out the flaws in our candidates. Scuba Aug 2015 #16

It's gone far beyond pointing out flaws Andy823 Aug 2015 #23

She's the frontrunner. If she can't stand the heat she's welcome to get out of the kitchen. Scuba Aug 2015 #26

What has that got to do with Andy823 Aug 2015 #77

It's a discussion board. People enjoy discussing politics, including things that have been ... Scuba Aug 2015 #92

I also tire of the daily red scare McCarthyism on DU. PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #22

Really? Andy823 Aug 2015 #25

lol. PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #29

+1 BeanMusical Aug 2015 #38

+ another 1 Thank you for the links n/t jtuck004 Aug 2015 #51

And...that's why I won't be voting for Mrs. Clinton Doctor_J Aug 2015 #136

Thanks you Andy and amen! Not a Clinton fan MsMAC Aug 2015 #66

Ignore user. Keyword hide. Trash thread. Skinner & Crew have provided us... SMC22307 Aug 2015 #99

Bring it up a million times? bvar22 Aug 2015 #157

You got that right...I think Hillary was wrong to vote for the IWR on all three counts. No excuse for it. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #78

I don't think you're going to have to hold your nose this time. The people will decide this time sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #105

I hope you're correct, but the way the DNC has rigged the systems troubles me greatly. Scuba Aug 2015 #110

True, but this time, look how much flack they are getting. Remember when Kucinich was running sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #111

I think Bernie has a better chance of winning the GE than Hillary. And it's my opinion that ... Scuba Aug 2015 #112

I agree, on both counts. nt truebluegreen Aug 2015 #126

+1 Bubzer Aug 2015 #142

They were all in #3. Wanted to look hawkish to combat the Dem weak-on-defense rap for their TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #9

yes, or voted for Kerry and I'll vote for clinton cali Aug 2015 #20

The day befor the vote I called Kennedy and Kerry's offices Armstead Aug 2015 #33

No and Yes Martin Eden Aug 2015 #68

Obviously wrong now, but some thought it would strengthen Prez's hand & would not lead to invasion. Hoyt Aug 2015 #6

Important point. And many at the time who voted yes said as much. nt wiggs Aug 2015 #18

obviously wrong then cali Aug 2015 #24

A No vote was not the "easy way out." Armstead Aug 2015 #35

No one voted on war, as a matter of fact, they all stated opposition to war. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #12

utter bullshit cali Aug 2015 #27

Now one of the qualifications to be elected to Congress is being clairvoyant? George II Aug 2015 #107

Funny. I knew not to vote for it. Hissyspit Aug 2015 #130

This one short post of yours contains 4 errors of fact... Old Crow Aug 2015 #34

Meaning there probably isn't even a single error of fact. George II Aug 2015 #109

Eh, suspect that poster is a deep Sandersnista mole Fumesucker Aug 2015 #146

Joint Resolution To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq . whopis01 Aug 2015 #37

+1. cali Aug 2015 #39

I'm against war But I'm going to give George Bush, GEORGE BUSH, my blessing to wage it Armstead Aug 2015 #48

It is my sad duty to inform you that you are suffering from contrarianism. sibelian Aug 2015 #98

the name of the bill was Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.... mike_c Aug 2015 #117

cali scores again roguevalley Aug 2015 #14

I always found it strange SHRED Aug 2015 #19

It was known that it would create this mess since the 1st Gulf War BeanMusical Aug 2015 #41

Yes hibbing Aug 2015 #42

Total K & R SoapBox Aug 2015 #28

Misrepresentation is also contemptible. <nt> oasis Aug 2015 #30

if you think I'm misrepresenting something, exactly what is it? cali Aug 2015 #40

i agree. a whole lot of history and discussion left out. this is one i do not even bother with on seabeyond Aug 2015 #60

We needed leadership on that vote. We didn't get it. I was disgusted and furious at everyone who Hissyspit Aug 2015 #128

i understand. though i disagree. what would have been in losing the senate and house seats. seabeyond Aug 2015 #129

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #140

Sorry. I was disgusted and furious when this happened. At everyone. Hissyspit Aug 2015 #127

In matters of conscience, the law of majority has no place. Gandhi Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #31

+1000 BeanMusical Aug 2015 #44

Close Depaysement Aug 2015 #50

A solid hit Cali Hydra Aug 2015 #32

If HRH becomes POTUS, there will be hifiguy Aug 2015 #58

If I had to assign a reason for Clinton's vote, I'd go with number 3, and quite possibly number 2 PatrickforO Aug 2015 #36

As someone here explained it a while back... Lancero Aug 2015 #43

Kick and R BeanMusical Aug 2015 #46

Number 3 Applies To Some Well Known Politicians cantbeserious Aug 2015 #47

Yes. They feared the war would go quickly and that their "no" votes would be used against them RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #56

The very definition of self-serving hifiguy Aug 2015 #61

Translation: hifiguy Aug 2015 #53

Your number 2 is actually 'whatever-many' reasons. HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #54

you are wrong. there are other reasons, but then one would have to not have agenda and an ability seabeyond Aug 2015 #55

"I am not getting into this." Lemme guess... RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #59

i would never and have never had this conversation on du. this one, it is like talking to the seabeyond Aug 2015 #63

Blammo. hifiguy Aug 2015 #65

Your secret reasons are like Trumps secret plans "trust me it's wicked smart" Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #72

thre is nothing secret about my reason, just not a conducive conversation to be had on du. seabeyond Aug 2015 #83

'Not secret I just won't tell you." - classic! Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #86

i wont bother cause it is a waste of time. i do not know why it is so challenging for you to seabeyond Aug 2015 #89

Yet posting about it isn't a waste of time, just posting about the specifics. Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #96

it's like the text of the TPP, huh? mike_c Aug 2015 #119

you can read my other posts as we pretend of this game, secret. but why bother, right? seabeyond Aug 2015 #120

^^^This^^^ beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #122

This comment seems full of passive aggressive condescension and false superiority. Bubzer Aug 2015 #144

You could have shortened this one up into just one sentence GitRDun Aug 2015 #57

News flash: The people who died because of that vote haven't come back from the dead RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #67

Lol and you think ANYONE on a Democratic web site doesn't know that? GitRDun Aug 2015 #70

We always seem to have money for war. RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #75

Good job Rufus you proved my point GitRDun Aug 2015 #80

A Hillary supporter has been arguing for a 4th reason: Martin Eden Aug 2015 #64

That argument is EASILY one of the hifiguy Aug 2015 #69

I think that's just another variant of #3.... mike_c Aug 2015 #121

A majority of members of Congress from NYC voted no jfern Aug 2015 #125

Hmm. davidthegnome Aug 2015 #76

Thank you for your very thoughtful answer to the OP. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #82

No. Some of the largest demonstrations IN HISTORY were mounted against the Iraq war. delrem Aug 2015 #143

I know how big the demonstrations were. davidthegnome Aug 2015 #154

bullshit. Hillary Rodham Clinton knew it was a lie. delrem Aug 2015 #158

I don't know about her specifically. davidthegnome Aug 2015 #159

Wrong. And this is why Senators Kerry, Biden, and Clinton, among other Democrats, pnwmom Aug 2015 #79

most dems voted.against it cali Aug 2015 #90

That's true. Most Dems knew that there would be just enough votes to allow for its passage. pnwmom Aug 2015 #91

Your contempt is noted... LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #81

4) To put pressure on Saddam to ensure he let the inspectors back in. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #84

You mean 4. Taking Bush's assessment re: inspection over Hans Blix's. Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #88

Except your time line is wrong. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #150

More dumpster diving postatomic Aug 2015 #85

No. 2 has a lot of subparts nt Depaysement Aug 2015 #87

Hillary Clinton's foreign policy from 2014: neverforget Aug 2015 #94

These OPs aren't logical, and really are a form of "bash and trash" baiting... Sancho Aug 2015 #95

Patrick Leahy repeatedly warned it was a blank check. cali Aug 2015 #97

Again, not logical.... Sancho Aug 2015 #100

That is an intelligent and well though out reply ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #102

Excellent response - stripped the rhetoric away to expose the substance and reality. Thanks! George II Aug 2015 #108

A good post, researched and easy to read. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #115

Great post. THIS should be the thread topic, not the simplistic one we have. (NT) PBass Aug 2015 #132

4) To give Bush authorization not expecting he'd actually use it. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #103

Or, you could have been drunk or incompetent, which covers about 50% of Republicans. GoneFishin Aug 2015 #104

Being stupid is "contemptable"? George II Aug 2015 #106

two out of my three representatives voted 'no'. :) NuttyFluffers Aug 2015 #113

I'd like to modify your reasons to better reflect their reality.... mike_c Aug 2015 #114

IWR was just showbiz reddread Aug 2015 #118

they'd been waiting for this for over a decade MisterP Aug 2015 #145

do you suppose the interlude was meant to get GHWB reelected? reddread Aug 2015 #148

She didn't even bother to read the intelligence report jfern Aug 2015 #123

Here's another good reason: PBass Aug 2015 #131

You don't get it. BlueStateLib Aug 2015 #133

Absolutely! marym625 Aug 2015 #135

Cali nails it again! Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #137

Those Clinton "increasing negatives"... cprise Aug 2015 #139