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ellisonz

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Wed Feb 22, 2012, 04:56 PM Feb 2012

Opening up Discussion on Hosting Guidelines [View all]

Aloha Occupy Underground subscribers and friends,

Leopolds Ghost and I have been drafting ideas about how hosting in this group should function (you can find the current drafts at this link: Mic Check: Bulletin Board - Most Recent 2 Versions of Draft hosting guidelines (read at yr leisure). Some further brainstorming/debate is needed! Link to list of prior threads debating this group and some of these topics: List of Previous Threads - I suggest reading the first link and consulting the links at the second link if you want to see more of some of the previous debate on this, including how the Statement of Purpose came about. The Statement of Purpose will of course be subject to further review, but as it is no small thing to get admin to tweak it, I would just ask that we stick to discussion of Hosting Guidelines and not the text of the Statement of Purpose itself. Let's move forward.

Our purpose in this process has been to act as a facilitators, and since I have no desire to host this group and have some experience in the organization of such entities as this group, I will continue to do my best to help build consensus toward something awesome. I have no desire to dictate anything to anybody. I am a strong believer in participatory democracy and in constitutionalism. If anyone thinks I am out of line in any way, or wishes to help in this process by either creating a new set of guidelines/or editing existing proposals. Please speak up, all our welcome, and all help is needed, and especially if you're a good writer, have experience in this sort of organizational project.

I am sure there is a desire to avoid the drama that has happened in some of the other groups. I am also sure there are many different ideas about the details, and in fact, there is probably even some disagreement about if this group needs hosts, and so to open up discussion on this matter I think it is useful to consider the basic questions about how we would like to see this group function and how hosts relate to this mission. If you have any questions, concerns, ideas that are not included in the following attempt to encompass some of the debate, please express them constructively.

1. Does this group need a host? If so, do you think there should be a few hosts or many hosts?

2. Do you think with the idea that the main purpose of hosts is to act as a "sort of justice of peace/vibes watcher figure" or to act as a protector to enforce a "safe haven" at all times?

3. Contingently, do you think hosts should have some autonomy in making decisions, should have some autonomy in making decisions, just a little autonomy, or no autonomy?

4. How do you feel about the ideas of term limits and recalls as a check on host decision making? How long do you think a term should be, how many votes should it take to recall?

5. Would you prefer to elect hosts via open vote or by an anonymous poll (likely at DU2)? Do you think there should be any qualifications in place on voters in host elections?

I would just close out before stepping back and letting people weigh in, by stating that there is no reason to rush this process, and in fact, it's probably productive to drag it out. Moreover, no decisions will be made without the utmost attempt to build democratic consensus and there will be fair and free opportunities to vote on any proposal. I think the general idea is to have this discussion before selecting a host so that there are no issues down the line on the basic question, that at some point, most everyone agreed on the basic constituent issues of this group. Be good to each other.

Mahalo.

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Group membership is a vexing issue, given current software limitations. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #1
I think allowing any du member to vote is fine. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #2
Really, I see no other practical alternative. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #6
Under the current draft of the principles that was approved on Occupy du2, the lead host has no more Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #12
See the feminist group. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #14
Yeah, it's a problem with the way the system is geared to hosting as private groups Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #16
+1 n/t Chan790 Feb 2012 #25
Simple majority vote is not required for Occupy GAs to function well. So I don't think it's an issue Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #11
I hope it is kept simple JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #3
My answers to ellisonz 5Q? Chan790 Feb 2012 #4
It is possible to use polls for consensus. The principles as currently written call for consensus Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #8
I really tend to agree with point 1. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #9
I think the thought is to set the bar fairly high. ellisonz Feb 2012 #21
I wonder if the MIRT team couldn't be tasked with alerts that include an SoP violation? Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #28
I thought we're trying to have a non-heirarchical structure, not rely on MIRT. jmho n/t Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #35
Regarding DU2 -- all the work that went into creating this forum came from DU2rs -- if you think Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #10
No, I think those decisions needed to be made here along with there. Chan790 Feb 2012 #19
To be fair, no decisions beyond the SOP have been made at all... ellisonz Feb 2012 #20
I'll be drafting a counter-proposal then. Chan790 Feb 2012 #26
There is no great rush. ellisonz Feb 2012 #27
The main host does not select co-hosts under the current draft, the group does Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #38
It was pointed out in the H&M thread many times where the work was being done. Occupy uses consensus Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #34
How are they being marginalized if they ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #30
Do you feel they should, or should not? Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #37
Truthfully - ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #45
But we haven't agreed on anything yet... Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #49
Why can't the DU2 work be presented here and accepted or not by us all? Why would anyone want to Vincardog Feb 2012 #33
I am concerned because I have done work for a liberal nonprofit where Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #36
Ellisonz, can you facilitate the thread I opened up here thats a mirror of the du2 thread? Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #5
My thoughts on Ellison's questions -- Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #7
With all due respect, you sound like a teacher UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #13
Not at all. It's simply that we posted numerous links back to the threads on the group formation Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #15
Well, pardon me for not reading the terms of service UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #17
I wish you'd stay active in this conversation. Chan790 Feb 2012 #22
Alright, I'll keep an eye on it. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #23
The du2 draft guidelines thought to mention about activist credentials Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #39
No, we just told stories and ate cheese sandwhiches. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #41
What happened in LA? I didn't hear about this -- sounds awful. Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #42
Protesters sitting on buses for hours with handcuffs UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #43
Why don't you grab the one or two mods who are running around on DU2 still snooper2 Feb 2012 #18
I like this idea. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #24
This sounds reasonable. I'd like to add a few quick points. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #29
Twinkles Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #40
So, is this group already ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #31
The idea is to try and be... ellisonz Feb 2012 #32
my two coppers quinnox Feb 2012 #44
Right now I've basically seeing four proposals... ellisonz Feb 2012 #46
I favour options 1 or 2 at this point. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #47
Thank you for your two-cents. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #48
What if hosts enforced SoP by Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #50
that solution has merit. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #51
I think just as a simple matter of communication... ellisonz Feb 2012 #52
I'd like to see some more ideas and opinions from other members Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #53
No doubt. ellisonz Feb 2012 #54
Anyone else have any thoughts? ellisonz Feb 2012 #55
I've been meaning to review the latest draft Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #56
No worries. ellisonz Feb 2012 #57
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