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appalachiablue

(41,221 posts)
61. Actually I'd like to see the Corporates and Centrists of both major parties
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:33 PM
Apr 2016

join into one party and leave the 'Democrat' out of it. Same for 'Liberal'. Using those terms is hypocrisy for moderate conservatives and corporatist neoliberals. They can tangle over including social justice and equality issues among themselves.

Retaining DEMOCRATIC in a party I speak of is critical for the concept and since our democratic institutions are declining terribly. Maintaining the powerful and inclusive ideas of the Big Tent, liberalism, education, the environment, workers, families, equality, social justice and FDR-JFK heritage is key. Greens should be included.

LIBERAL should be rightfully reclaimed by those who believe in its values; it's inappropriate for corporate conservatives to use the term any more which has been badly corrupted, and not only the by the conservative economic philosophy 'neoliberalism.'

PROGRESSIVE is good but better if combined with Democrat. A la, The Democratic Progressive Party, although a bit long. The Germans have Social Democrats, Christian Social Democrats, and more.

We've been pushed away from the vilified 'Liberal' since Reagan at least, and are now being scorned by some from the new Democratic Party of the last 25 years.

Before long we'll fall off the edge into obscurity, the hope of some no doubt, if the Democratic Party isn't reclaimed or recreated. And oblivion for millions of people who want to move the country and world forward in a better direction is not going to happen.

Trying to form a new party I'm not opposed to per se but from history we know it takes much effort and years or decades to establish.

A critical aspect of the party I write of means possessing strong organization and discipline, and unity which permits dissent. (And I don't mean the dreaded formal, rigid hierarchy or authoritarianism). These might be anathema, esp. discipline to some on the left, and well, they'll just have to get over it.

No serious groups, movements, institutions and organizations whether political, social, religious or otherwise, can be strong, effective and lasting without these principles.
The 18th and 19th c. abolitionist and anti slavery movements, and the 20th c. Civil Rights, labor, womens, environmental, LGBT, and even the Democratic Party are examples. Same for notable freedom movements and groups on other continents.

Seeing the growth of activism and the formation of movements and parties rise up in the last several years, like Occupy (I know, no hierarchy!), Pademos in Europe, Bernie's campaign supporters and now Democracy Spring has given me renewed hope for the future.

My two cents and semi serious opinion. Probably be banished for this, but if that's the way it goes so be it.

There is another site I know it's something like caucus99percent Kalidurga Apr 2016 #1
Post the link so we can check it out :) jillan Apr 2016 #2
This is what lead me there Kalidurga Apr 2016 #4
Thanks. Found many kindred spirits there. nt chknltl Apr 2016 #7
My understanding is they are Kos refugees Kalidurga Apr 2016 #8
Isn't there also a site with Kossacks in the name? I could have sworn someone at DU posted about it. merrily Apr 2016 #27
I haven't heard about that one. But, I wouldn't doubt it. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #31
"TPTB psychophants" : PERFECT Metaphor! 2banon Apr 2016 #64
Here You Go cantbeserious Apr 2016 #5
What Progressives Need Is An Alternative - Progressive Underground cantbeserious Apr 2016 #3
I believe that DU has always supported only Democratic candidates, even from the start in 2001. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2016 #9
Agreed - However, In 2001 Being Democrat Was Progressive - Now, Being Democrat Is Corporate. cantbeserious Apr 2016 #11
+1 In 2000, being a Democratic was in flux from progressive to corporate, but many did not know. merrily Apr 2016 #28
Exactly what has happened and is DU's direction IMO. Just like the current democratic party, I feel RKP5637 Apr 2016 #52
Please see Reply 23. merrily Apr 2016 #26
I do like the name.. 2banon Apr 2016 #66
I really like JPR werknotgoin2takeit Apr 2016 #6
That will change Matariki Apr 2016 #18
Please see Reply 23. thanks merrily Apr 2016 #25
As soon as the tumblr delegation runs off the last of the Bernie supporters from DU, VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #33
Just what I posted. JPR lacks user friendly functionality. 2banon Apr 2016 #68
I have no idea. mmonk Apr 2016 #10
To be trite, look outside the box. delrem Apr 2016 #15
The long-term plan may be re-aligning the parties, moderate Republicans and center right Dems merrily Apr 2016 #29
Actually I'd like to see the Corporates and Centrists of both major parties appalachiablue Apr 2016 #61
True that. mmonk Apr 2016 #30
You Want A Revolution davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #12
I signed up... malokvale77 Apr 2016 #16
Awesome, thanks for being my first member! davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #17
Just a suggestion... malokvale77 Apr 2016 #19
The NYT was a poor choice of feed. davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #20
Why a new board, rather than joining JPR or caucus99? merrily Apr 2016 #24
The software and format. MelissaB Apr 2016 #34
? But that board's format is not like DU's, either. merrily Apr 2016 #35
Melissa is a website designer. FYI. jillan Apr 2016 #48
Please see Reply 47. If the idea is that people like DU's software they know that. If she's willing merrily Apr 2016 #50
I do not know what replies look like in the Revolution site, but it is easier than JPR at LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #60
Those sites are ok davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #39
Thanks, but that does not answer my question. You could have worked with them on format. merrily Apr 2016 #44
I could have, but wanted to make my own site davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #56
I suspected that was the reason, but I was curious, aka nosey. Thanks for answering. merrily Apr 2016 #58
I'm all about supporting liberal progressives... malokvale77 Apr 2016 #13
JPR is working on new software. merrily Apr 2016 #23
...that would be great. SoapBox Apr 2016 #36
To add to this, MuseRider Apr 2016 #37
The site reboots at 5 am, but only for a minute or less. Otherwise, yes, the problem is probably on merrily Apr 2016 #43
You know what would be really helpful at jpr jillan Apr 2016 #40
Okay. First, are you registered at JPR? If so, you can bring those issues up there to the admins merrily Apr 2016 #41
Oh yeah. I am registered. I posted a few times jillan Apr 2016 #45
I have already taken care of that. If you go there, you should get your questions about JPR handled merrily Apr 2016 #47
You're awesome. Like I said I bet people would be willing to chip in to help over there jillan Apr 2016 #49
thank you and back at you. Anyone willing to help there should go there and pm Marym625. merrily Apr 2016 #51
What is the URL for JPR? Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #54
JackpineRadicals.org merrily Apr 2016 #59
Thanks!!!!!! RKP5637 Apr 2016 #63
You're welcome. Enjoy. merrily Apr 2016 #65
Yep, I'm going to join. I've been looking for an alternative to look at too. Thanks again! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #67
Hope there's lots of folks Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2016 #14
Aww. Thanks. We're are a great group of people jillan Apr 2016 #46
the point that many folks are looking for another website should be something DU should take notice. PFunk1 Apr 2016 #21
I know. Things that we used to be able to talk about here jillan Apr 2016 #42
I post at JackpineRadicals.org and at DU. See Reply 23. merrily Apr 2016 #22
i normally flip between here and jpr restorefreedom Apr 2016 #32
jpr is awkward to use and greymouse Apr 2016 #38
Thanks for posting this!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #53
JPR is the best new board in my opinion. I support it with my small donations and they are haikugal Apr 2016 #55
What is the URL for JPR? Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #57
I'm torn to be honest, yes I do want a safe haven to speak freely without fear 2banon Apr 2016 #62
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