Democratic Primaries

Uncle Joe

(58,517 posts) Wed Mar 20, 2019, 09:47 AM Mar 2019

Unlike Some People, Bernie Hasn't "Evolved" [View all]

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In the Democratic Party presidential primary race, that history sets Bernie apart.

When Bernie was in his thirties, he was attempting to build an independent political party whose purpose, he said, was “to create a situation in which the ordinary working people take what rightfully belongs to them.”

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In contrast to young Biden, young Bernie was an activist fighting against racial discrimination in education.

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If we’re serious about taking on the formidable power of the ruling elite and building a society based on equality and democracy, we should look at the candidates’ lifelong records and ask, which of them truly shares those priorities.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/03/bernie-sanders-socialism-nationalization-industries

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Unlike Some People, Bernie Hasn't "Evolved" [View all] Uncle Joe Mar 2019 OP

I'm not a socialist , I don't think the democratic party is socialist. stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #1

Do you believe that everything should be privatized? Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #104

I hope he evolved to some degree RandySF Mar 2019 #2

One would hope. I think most are unconvinced. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #6

I'm unconvinced. cwydro Mar 2019 #105

When anyone works so tirelessly to demean, diminish, tarnish and divide the Democratic party... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #108

Which explains why he stated he would run and govern as a Democrat? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #215

Not as interesting as your random reply as your MineralMan Mar 2019 #220

It explains nothing of the sort and we all know it. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #223

That depends, of course, on how "we all" is defined. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #225

He just hired someone who tweeted support for Jill Stein a day before the 2016 election. Beakybird Mar 2019 #3

These are the people who want to sabotage and destroy the Democratic party. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #14

+1. They are literally anti-Democratic dirty tricksters and provocateurs dalton99a Mar 2019 #27

Kinda like liberal Steve Bannons? calguy Mar 2019 #227

After you are done demonizing Bernie supporters TheRealNorth Mar 2019 #141

Nobody is doing that. What an absurd accusation about me. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #154

Who hasn't learned anything from 2016? pandr32 Mar 2019 #156

i know of no one who stayed home or voted 3rd party.. samnsara Mar 2019 #161

A threat? mcar Mar 2019 #196

That's all I would've needed to know, frankly MH1 Mar 2019 #17

I believe in evolution. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #4

+1000 comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #30

So which issues does he need to evolve on? Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #106

There are quite a few. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #192

The party is evolving into his policies Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #193

No, actually Single Payer was a Democratic policy put forward in 1971. ehrnst Mar 2019 #237

+1 betsuni Mar 2019 #238

+1 betsuni Mar 2019 #197

Good points mcar Mar 2019 #198

I think that I did well enough that I'm still in contention. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #222

Agreed! ehrnst Mar 2019 #239

The old "evolved" argument...it's an asset, dontcha know, when prior positions no longer look good. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #207

You mean like when a Senator who now states that they support Gay Marriage voted for DOMA ehrnst Mar 2019 #240

Russian sanctions. N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #210

Criminal justice. N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #211

Funding the military-industrial complex. N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #212

What activism did Bernie participate in after he left college? I keep asking Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #5

What did Bernie; have to gain from endorsing Jesse, he's from a "small white state?" Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #7

Ask Bernie.... Morning club video at 30:00 minutes Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #68

It's a thin resume, that's for sure. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #9

Well in Joe's thick resume, why was he against desegregation in schools? n/t Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #11

Which item is that? What part of Joe's resume you're referring to? Be specific, please. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #37

Where do you get that he was against desegregation in schools? I don't think that's true. George II Mar 2019 #38

Well here is an article from Politico on the subject. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #44

So, he was NOT against desegregation, he was only against forced busing.... George II Mar 2019 #46

That's like supporting universal health care but allowing the for profit "health" insurance Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #53

No it's not. Again, look into the history of school busing and the overall lack of success it had. George II Mar 2019 #57

Without busing we would be more segregated than we are today Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #63

That's not historically true. In many cities forced busing actually expanded segregation.... George II Mar 2019 #64

Sounds like you lived it whereas the OP did not and is just repeating Sirota's TPs BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #94

Yes I did live through it, I was in high school in NYC at the time. Here's part of the historical... George II Mar 2019 #100

That's exactly what is happening, R B Garr Mar 2019 #101

So you understand about the ACA being a neccessary "B" on the ehrnst Mar 2019 #73

+1 Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #209

Here's what Supreme Court Justice THURGOOD MARSHALL wrote... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #191

Crickets... ehrnst Mar 2019 #203

Actually, it's not like that at all. UHC is not defined by lack of participation by ehrnst Mar 2019 #66

He was against busing. It was very unpopular and busing remedy Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #71

Exactly. Although "well meaning", it was an artificial way of desegregating and proved... George II Mar 2019 #74

I was alive at the time. Busing to achieve desegregation was a very Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #70

This is a lie being promoted by Stein supporters. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #72

Sanders also voted against Russian sanctions, didn't he? NurseJackie Mar 2019 #80

Yes, he did. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #87

That's not a very progressive voting record. Did you also hear... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #91

Yes, he voted against Russia sanctions when he voted. George II Mar 2019 #103

In order to preserve the nuclear deal Obama worked out with Iran Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #111

That's what he said. So why did he vote against the Magnitsky Act? George II Mar 2019 #116

Sanders doesn't often vote for omnibus bills for obvious reasons Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #149

Bernie was very clear about this Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #110

... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #113

How did that work out? WeekiWater Mar 2019 #128

You are saying "preserving Obama's nuclear treaty bad" Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #129

I was very clear in what I said. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #131

Even he admits no legislation.. Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #69

His policy proposals are being adopted by the other Dem candidates Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #107

... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #114

Yes, he is steering the party in a new direction Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #118

. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #230

LOL betsuni Mar 2019 #233

Biden was a Senator at 29. What was Bernie doing ? R B Garr Mar 2019 #8

He didn't even register to vote until 11 years after Biden was elected to the Senate. George II Mar 2019 #40

Wow, that's quite an evolution in life, and at a later R B Garr Mar 2019 #88

I wish he would evolve on releasing his tax returns. Beakybird Mar 2019 #10

+1! Cha Mar 2019 #12

+1 jrthin Mar 2019 #19

+1 TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #32

++++10000. ehrnst Mar 2019 #52

+1000 R B Garr Mar 2019 #89

+ a million! lunamagica Mar 2019 #139

Bingo! Little Star Mar 2019 #168

And he's still trying to build a new political party, but MineralMan Mar 2019 #13

Why was Joe Biden against school desegregation? n/t Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #18

I do not know the answer to that question. MineralMan Mar 2019 #23

Biden wasn't "against desegregation." thucythucy Mar 2019 #112

Thanks. I hadn't looked into that claim, actually. MineralMan Mar 2019 #119

Why won't Bernie release his taxes? That is a current R B Garr Mar 2019 #24

Race relations are a current issue especially in today's times. n/t Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #28

And we saw how poorly Bernie did with 2016 voters with no improvement. R B Garr Mar 2019 #29

So why was Joe against school desegregation? n/t Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #31

I see it differently. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #48

This election isn't about bussing. Why is Bernie against R B Garr Mar 2019 #86

Cue the crickets... chirp chirp InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #205

He's had many years to get them together. If they were complete enough for the IRS... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #41

There's been a "mechanical" issue... Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #93

He has committed to releasing ten years worth Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #147

He has promised them for years and has not delivered. R B Garr Mar 2019 #148

He promised them on February 25th 2019 Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #155

He has promised them for years. This is not fooling R B Garr Mar 2019 #158

He promise to release ten years worth on February 25th 2019 Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #162

He has been promising tax returns for years. We've been R B Garr Mar 2019 #163

Except he hasn't been promising them for years Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #165

He has been promising them for years. This has been R B Garr Mar 2019 #166

Show where he promised to release them after the 2016 primaries ended Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #167

You should go back starting 2015 and show it yourself. R B Garr Mar 2019 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author R B Garr Mar 2019 #170

Show where he promised to keep releasing tax returns after he lost the 2016 primary Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #171

Show every single show he was on since 2015 where R B Garr Mar 2019 #172

You're ducking the question Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #173

The "question" was a PHONY rewrite of history. R B Garr Mar 2019 #175

The question is "Show where he kept promising to release them for years" Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #176

You are trying to rewrite history with phony dodges. R B Garr Mar 2019 #178

He has never released them, so obviously it's not made up. R B Garr Mar 2019 #174

He has released no tax returns? Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #179

This is yet another phony dodge on your part. R B Garr Mar 2019 #180

Dodge what? Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #181

Sanders on tape since 2015 is not a conspiracy. He's on tape. But look R B Garr Mar 2019 #182

Your fixation on 2015 proves my point Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #185

You have no point, I'm sorry to say, but your whole R B Garr Mar 2019 #187

2015 to 2016 isn't years and years Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #188

LOL, now you are wasting time trying to rewrite what R B Garr Mar 2019 #190

It's now March 20 mcar Mar 2019 #199

Are you going to confront every poster on DU that won't vote for Bernie with a digression? TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #35

I'm referring to Joe's record which is in the OP, that's not smearing. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #36

Saying that opposing forced busing is being "against school desegregation" is like saying that LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #78

Yes, that's what these threads appear to be about--distractions R B Garr Mar 2019 #99

If Sanders is the nominee, he can count on your vote yes? Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #115

Interesting that three of Sanders' top three staffers ALL.... George II Mar 2019 #117

It's called the "Big Tent" Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #120

44% of the electorate does not vote "independent". George II Mar 2019 #121

42% - my bad Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #122

Still wrong, 42% of the electorate do not vote "independent". George II Mar 2019 #123

42% of the electorate are independent voters Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #124

That's completely different. George II Mar 2019 #125

No Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #127

It's not an interpretation. This is what you said: George II Mar 2019 #132

Your bizarre interpretation of what I said aside... Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #135

Your agenda is blaringly obvious. revmclaren Mar 2019 #138

"I suspect an agenda." TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #229

I think a better question would be revmclaren Mar 2019 #130

So that's a yes Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #133

So that's a yes from you revmclaren Mar 2019 #136

I can only control my own vote Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #146

Strange that you are trying to control votes here revmclaren Mar 2019 #150

So asking forum members if they will be voting for the Democratic nominee Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #152

... revmclaren Mar 2019 #164

I intend to vote for Democratic nominee at this point. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #200

He wasn't. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #59

He wasn't; he opposed an ill-conceived forced busing plan that tore a city apart and left scars LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #77

It's really sad that his economic policies haven't evolved from... WeekiWater Mar 2019 #15

So much this! nt OhZone Mar 2019 #21

Exactly! Thekaspervote Mar 2019 #33

If so, his nydailynews interview from 2016 does not demonstrate he can acheive much still_one Mar 2019 #16

Snap! Like it's a positive Cha Mar 2019 #22

Very true. Evolving means growing and learning still_one Mar 2019 #51

Democratic candidates are adopting his positions Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #194

LOL. still_one Mar 2019 #201

Not on guns and Rusian sanctions. N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #213

Positions Democrats have had forever? sheshe2 Mar 2019 #214

So you admit his policies are mainstream Democratic Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #221

So you admit that none of these were his original ideas. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #224

Yikes, that interview really showed how superficial R B Garr Mar 2019 #92

His stump speech is awesome! Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #183

His stump speech is yesterday's news. He lost in liberal R B Garr Mar 2019 #184

Actually it's future news. We're going into a new election Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #186

His stump speech is repetitive since 2015. People are R B Garr Mar 2019 #189

Reading the headline of this post - OhZone Mar 2019 #20

He hasn't? Does that mean that the things he said a number of years ago still apply? George II Mar 2019 #25

I'd like to see samplegirl Mar 2019 #26

He's always been where he's at,on the side of right. You will never hear Bernie saying raise the Autumn Mar 2019 #34

I totally agree Autumn, Bernie would expand and strengthen social security and Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #39

Exactly so Uncle Joe. If you believe in the right thing, if it's a core principle you don't need to Autumn Mar 2019 #42

Congress would be the one to do that. ehrnst Mar 2019 #55

Potus has great influence particularly if said Potus ran on the issue. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #60

Again, the support of one's peers is a hallmark of one's ability to work with them as POTUS. ehrnst Mar 2019 #61

I agree for the most part but if you're trying to bring about dramatic change Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #67

"He's always been where he's at,on the side of right." TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #43

Beto only mentions "some type of action" as being raising social security taxes on workers Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #47

So you can't keep on topic TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #50

I just posted the video that you referred to, that's not on topic? Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #56

Bernie talks about issues that benefit people. If that appeals to the right I don't Autumn Mar 2019 #81

Some Republicans decided to vote for Obama over McCain in 2008 TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #85

Hmmm, he voted for the 1994 Crime Bill, and now he's against it. What's up with that? George II Mar 2019 #82

Hmmm, Bill Clinton was for it and now he's against it. What's up with that? Autumn Mar 2019 #84

Hah, Clinton whataboutism. Pssst....Bill Clinton isn't running for President in 2020..... George II Mar 2019 #90

You're the one who brought up the crime bill not me. It was wrong then and it's wrong Autumn Mar 2019 #96

Yes, I brought up the Crime Bill, which Sanders voted for, I never mentioned Bill Clinton... George II Mar 2019 #97

"It was wrong then...They both admitted they made a mistake..." thucythucy Mar 2019 #140

I agree completely with the OP that Bernie hasn't evolved. Autumn Mar 2019 #145

And yet he voted for a "crime bill" that benefited for-profit-prisons thucythucy Mar 2019 #151

I don't comment on articles unless I read them, I read the article and I agreed with Autumn Mar 2019 #177

Then the title of the OP should be changed, thucythucy Mar 2019 #242

Whataboutism mcar Mar 2019 #206

No, he hasn't. Not on immigration, not on gun control, not on the Amber Alert lunamagica Mar 2019 #142

Jacobin... SidDithers Mar 2019 #45

Saying Someone Hasn't Evolved Is Not a Positive peggysue2 Mar 2019 #49

Rec this post! Cha Mar 2019 #54

The basic tenet of evolution - survival of the fittest, is often misunderstood ehrnst Mar 2019 #58

That's true. He has old solutions to new problems. Renew Deal Mar 2019 #62

No matter where someone starts, I want to see evolution and growth. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #65

Unlike some people, Trump hasn't evolved. NT WeekiWater Mar 2019 #75

That's unfortunate. Evolution in politics tends to be a good thing. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #76

+1,000,000 highplainsdem Mar 2019 #216

Being a progressive is about, well, progress. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #79

No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted Gothmog Mar 2019 #83

... BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #95

+1000 Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #98

He hasn't evolved on guns either, right?... SidDithers Mar 2019 #102

A very courageous Republican congressman from Vermont named Peter Smith... nycbos Mar 2019 #109

or done much of anything, really. PubliusEnigma Mar 2019 #126

Is that a good thing? Amimnoch Mar 2019 #134

So, he is still against immigration reform? lunamagica Mar 2019 #137

pretty ugly look kennetha Mar 2019 #226

So he hasn't evolved on immigration, gun control, and the Amber Alert? lunamagica Mar 2019 #143

His legislative record says wildly otherwise Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #157

So he's still pro guns??? revmclaren Mar 2019 #144

i think if we go back into any of the candidates back grounds we will find an impressive history.. samnsara Mar 2019 #153

Yup Historic NY Mar 2019 #159

The Iraq war vote is all I need to know roody Mar 2019 #160

This Again? mcar Mar 2019 #195

He strives for the "unreachable star". mia Mar 2019 #202

"The Impossible Dream" Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #208

How does he imagine that the U.S. government can and will finance his "impossible dream" mia Mar 2019 #217

You just implied... zaj Mar 2019 #204

If BS hasn't evolved, that would mean that he's still the same guy who wrote that essay. lapucelle Mar 2019 #218

Not a ringing endorsement. Wonder Cha Mar 2019 #236

True. Apparently he hasn't changed at all. betsuni Mar 2019 #219

That's a rousing endorsement. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #228

I couldn't agree more with Barney. Sums him up nicely. BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #241

So how is that 'attempting to build an independent political party' coming along? nt UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #231

Checking in to see how things go... WeekiWater Mar 2019 #232

Nobody as of yet seems to have noticed that the word "evolved" was in quotation marks because this Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #234

There are so many fun opportunities with the op. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #235