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TheRealNorth

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141. After you are done demonizing Bernie supporters

Reply to NurseJackie (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:20 PM

Mar 2019

I don't want to see any crying when they stay home or vote 3rd Party like in 2016.

Have you learned nothing from 2016?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Unlike Some People, Bernie Hasn't "Evolved" [View all] Uncle Joe Mar 2019 OP

I'm not a socialist , I don't think the democratic party is socialist. stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #1

Do you believe that everything should be privatized? Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #104

I hope he evolved to some degree RandySF Mar 2019 #2

One would hope. I think most are unconvinced. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #6

I'm unconvinced. cwydro Mar 2019 #105

When anyone works so tirelessly to demean, diminish, tarnish and divide the Democratic party... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #108

Which explains why he stated he would run and govern as a Democrat? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #215

Not as interesting as your random reply as your MineralMan Mar 2019 #220

It explains nothing of the sort and we all know it. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #223

That depends, of course, on how "we all" is defined. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #225

He just hired someone who tweeted support for Jill Stein a day before the 2016 election. Beakybird Mar 2019 #3

These are the people who want to sabotage and destroy the Democratic party. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #14

+1. They are literally anti-Democratic dirty tricksters and provocateurs dalton99a Mar 2019 #27

Kinda like liberal Steve Bannons? calguy Mar 2019 #227

After you are done demonizing Bernie supporters TheRealNorth Mar 2019 #141

Nobody is doing that. What an absurd accusation about me. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #154

Who hasn't learned anything from 2016? pandr32 Mar 2019 #156

i know of no one who stayed home or voted 3rd party.. samnsara Mar 2019 #161

A threat? mcar Mar 2019 #196

That's all I would've needed to know, frankly MH1 Mar 2019 #17

I believe in evolution. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #4

+1000 comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #30

So which issues does he need to evolve on? Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #106

There are quite a few. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #192

The party is evolving into his policies Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #193

No, actually Single Payer was a Democratic policy put forward in 1971. ehrnst Mar 2019 #237

+1 betsuni Mar 2019 #238

+1 betsuni Mar 2019 #197

Good points mcar Mar 2019 #198

I think that I did well enough that I'm still in contention. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #222

Agreed! ehrnst Mar 2019 #239

The old "evolved" argument...it's an asset, dontcha know, when prior positions no longer look good. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #207

You mean like when a Senator who now states that they support Gay Marriage voted for DOMA ehrnst Mar 2019 #240

Russian sanctions. N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #210

Criminal justice. N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #211

Funding the military-industrial complex. N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #212

What activism did Bernie participate in after he left college? I keep asking Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #5

What did Bernie; have to gain from endorsing Jesse, he's from a "small white state?" Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #7

Ask Bernie.... Morning club video at 30:00 minutes Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #68

It's a thin resume, that's for sure. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #9

Well in Joe's thick resume, why was he against desegregation in schools? n/t Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #11

Which item is that? What part of Joe's resume you're referring to? Be specific, please. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #37

Where do you get that he was against desegregation in schools? I don't think that's true. George II Mar 2019 #38

Well here is an article from Politico on the subject. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #44

So, he was NOT against desegregation, he was only against forced busing.... George II Mar 2019 #46

That's like supporting universal health care but allowing the for profit "health" insurance Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #53

No it's not. Again, look into the history of school busing and the overall lack of success it had. George II Mar 2019 #57

Without busing we would be more segregated than we are today Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #63

That's not historically true. In many cities forced busing actually expanded segregation.... George II Mar 2019 #64

Sounds like you lived it whereas the OP did not and is just repeating Sirota's TPs BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #94

Yes I did live through it, I was in high school in NYC at the time. Here's part of the historical... George II Mar 2019 #100

That's exactly what is happening, R B Garr Mar 2019 #101

So you understand about the ACA being a neccessary "B" on the ehrnst Mar 2019 #73

+1 Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #209

Here's what Supreme Court Justice THURGOOD MARSHALL wrote... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #191

Crickets... ehrnst Mar 2019 #203

Actually, it's not like that at all. UHC is not defined by lack of participation by ehrnst Mar 2019 #66

He was against busing. It was very unpopular and busing remedy Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #71

Exactly. Although "well meaning", it was an artificial way of desegregating and proved... George II Mar 2019 #74

I was alive at the time. Busing to achieve desegregation was a very Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #70

This is a lie being promoted by Stein supporters. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #72

Sanders also voted against Russian sanctions, didn't he? NurseJackie Mar 2019 #80

Yes, he did. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #87

That's not a very progressive voting record. Did you also hear... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #91

Yes, he voted against Russia sanctions when he voted. George II Mar 2019 #103

In order to preserve the nuclear deal Obama worked out with Iran Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #111

That's what he said. So why did he vote against the Magnitsky Act? George II Mar 2019 #116

Sanders doesn't often vote for omnibus bills for obvious reasons Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #149

Bernie was very clear about this Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #110

... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #113

How did that work out? WeekiWater Mar 2019 #128

You are saying "preserving Obama's nuclear treaty bad" Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #129

I was very clear in what I said. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #131

Even he admits no legislation.. Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #69

His policy proposals are being adopted by the other Dem candidates Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #107

... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #114

Yes, he is steering the party in a new direction Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #118

. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #230

LOL betsuni Mar 2019 #233

Biden was a Senator at 29. What was Bernie doing ? R B Garr Mar 2019 #8

He didn't even register to vote until 11 years after Biden was elected to the Senate. George II Mar 2019 #40

Wow, that's quite an evolution in life, and at a later R B Garr Mar 2019 #88

I wish he would evolve on releasing his tax returns. Beakybird Mar 2019 #10

+1! Cha Mar 2019 #12

+1 jrthin Mar 2019 #19

+1 TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #32

++++10000. ehrnst Mar 2019 #52

+1000 R B Garr Mar 2019 #89

+ a million! lunamagica Mar 2019 #139

Bingo! Little Star Mar 2019 #168

And he's still trying to build a new political party, but MineralMan Mar 2019 #13

Why was Joe Biden against school desegregation? n/t Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #18

I do not know the answer to that question. MineralMan Mar 2019 #23

Biden wasn't "against desegregation." thucythucy Mar 2019 #112

Thanks. I hadn't looked into that claim, actually. MineralMan Mar 2019 #119

Why won't Bernie release his taxes? That is a current R B Garr Mar 2019 #24

Race relations are a current issue especially in today's times. n/t Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #28

And we saw how poorly Bernie did with 2016 voters with no improvement. R B Garr Mar 2019 #29

So why was Joe against school desegregation? n/t Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #31

I see it differently. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #48

This election isn't about bussing. Why is Bernie against R B Garr Mar 2019 #86

Cue the crickets... chirp chirp InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #205

He's had many years to get them together. If they were complete enough for the IRS... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #41

There's been a "mechanical" issue... Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #93

He has committed to releasing ten years worth Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #147

He has promised them for years and has not delivered. R B Garr Mar 2019 #148

He promised them on February 25th 2019 Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #155

He has promised them for years. This is not fooling R B Garr Mar 2019 #158

He promise to release ten years worth on February 25th 2019 Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #162

He has been promising tax returns for years. We've been R B Garr Mar 2019 #163

Except he hasn't been promising them for years Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #165

He has been promising them for years. This has been R B Garr Mar 2019 #166

Show where he promised to release them after the 2016 primaries ended Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #167

You should go back starting 2015 and show it yourself. R B Garr Mar 2019 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author R B Garr Mar 2019 #170

Show where he promised to keep releasing tax returns after he lost the 2016 primary Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #171

Show every single show he was on since 2015 where R B Garr Mar 2019 #172

You're ducking the question Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #173

The "question" was a PHONY rewrite of history. R B Garr Mar 2019 #175

The question is "Show where he kept promising to release them for years" Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #176

You are trying to rewrite history with phony dodges. R B Garr Mar 2019 #178

He has never released them, so obviously it's not made up. R B Garr Mar 2019 #174

He has released no tax returns? Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #179

This is yet another phony dodge on your part. R B Garr Mar 2019 #180

Dodge what? Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #181

Sanders on tape since 2015 is not a conspiracy. He's on tape. But look R B Garr Mar 2019 #182

Your fixation on 2015 proves my point Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #185

You have no point, I'm sorry to say, but your whole R B Garr Mar 2019 #187

2015 to 2016 isn't years and years Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #188

LOL, now you are wasting time trying to rewrite what R B Garr Mar 2019 #190

It's now March 20 mcar Mar 2019 #199

Are you going to confront every poster on DU that won't vote for Bernie with a digression? TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #35

I'm referring to Joe's record which is in the OP, that's not smearing. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #36

Saying that opposing forced busing is being "against school desegregation" is like saying that LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #78

Yes, that's what these threads appear to be about--distractions R B Garr Mar 2019 #99

If Sanders is the nominee, he can count on your vote yes? Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #115

Interesting that three of Sanders' top three staffers ALL.... George II Mar 2019 #117

It's called the "Big Tent" Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #120

44% of the electorate does not vote "independent". George II Mar 2019 #121

42% - my bad Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #122

Still wrong, 42% of the electorate do not vote "independent". George II Mar 2019 #123

42% of the electorate are independent voters Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #124

That's completely different. George II Mar 2019 #125

No Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #127

It's not an interpretation. This is what you said: George II Mar 2019 #132

Your bizarre interpretation of what I said aside... Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #135

Your agenda is blaringly obvious. revmclaren Mar 2019 #138

"I suspect an agenda." TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #229

I think a better question would be revmclaren Mar 2019 #130

So that's a yes Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #133

So that's a yes from you revmclaren Mar 2019 #136

I can only control my own vote Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #146

Strange that you are trying to control votes here revmclaren Mar 2019 #150

So asking forum members if they will be voting for the Democratic nominee Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #152

... revmclaren Mar 2019 #164

I intend to vote for Democratic nominee at this point. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #200

He wasn't. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #59

He wasn't; he opposed an ill-conceived forced busing plan that tore a city apart and left scars LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #77

It's really sad that his economic policies haven't evolved from... WeekiWater Mar 2019 #15

So much this! nt OhZone Mar 2019 #21

Exactly! Thekaspervote Mar 2019 #33

If so, his nydailynews interview from 2016 does not demonstrate he can acheive much still_one Mar 2019 #16

Snap! Like it's a positive Cha Mar 2019 #22

Very true. Evolving means growing and learning still_one Mar 2019 #51

Democratic candidates are adopting his positions Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #194

LOL. still_one Mar 2019 #201

Not on guns and Rusian sanctions. N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #213

Positions Democrats have had forever? sheshe2 Mar 2019 #214

So you admit his policies are mainstream Democratic Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #221

So you admit that none of these were his original ideas. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #224

Yikes, that interview really showed how superficial R B Garr Mar 2019 #92

His stump speech is awesome! Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #183

His stump speech is yesterday's news. He lost in liberal R B Garr Mar 2019 #184

Actually it's future news. We're going into a new election Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #186

His stump speech is repetitive since 2015. People are R B Garr Mar 2019 #189

Reading the headline of this post - OhZone Mar 2019 #20

He hasn't? Does that mean that the things he said a number of years ago still apply? George II Mar 2019 #25

I'd like to see samplegirl Mar 2019 #26

He's always been where he's at,on the side of right. You will never hear Bernie saying raise the Autumn Mar 2019 #34

I totally agree Autumn, Bernie would expand and strengthen social security and Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #39

Exactly so Uncle Joe. If you believe in the right thing, if it's a core principle you don't need to Autumn Mar 2019 #42

Congress would be the one to do that. ehrnst Mar 2019 #55

Potus has great influence particularly if said Potus ran on the issue. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #60

Again, the support of one's peers is a hallmark of one's ability to work with them as POTUS. ehrnst Mar 2019 #61

I agree for the most part but if you're trying to bring about dramatic change Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #67

"He's always been where he's at,on the side of right." TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #43

Beto only mentions "some type of action" as being raising social security taxes on workers Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #47

So you can't keep on topic TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #50

I just posted the video that you referred to, that's not on topic? Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #56

Bernie talks about issues that benefit people. If that appeals to the right I don't Autumn Mar 2019 #81

Some Republicans decided to vote for Obama over McCain in 2008 TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #85

Hmmm, he voted for the 1994 Crime Bill, and now he's against it. What's up with that? George II Mar 2019 #82

Hmmm, Bill Clinton was for it and now he's against it. What's up with that? Autumn Mar 2019 #84

Hah, Clinton whataboutism. Pssst....Bill Clinton isn't running for President in 2020..... George II Mar 2019 #90

You're the one who brought up the crime bill not me. It was wrong then and it's wrong Autumn Mar 2019 #96

Yes, I brought up the Crime Bill, which Sanders voted for, I never mentioned Bill Clinton... George II Mar 2019 #97

"It was wrong then...They both admitted they made a mistake..." thucythucy Mar 2019 #140

I agree completely with the OP that Bernie hasn't evolved. Autumn Mar 2019 #145

And yet he voted for a "crime bill" that benefited for-profit-prisons thucythucy Mar 2019 #151

I don't comment on articles unless I read them, I read the article and I agreed with Autumn Mar 2019 #177

Then the title of the OP should be changed, thucythucy Mar 2019 #242

Whataboutism mcar Mar 2019 #206

No, he hasn't. Not on immigration, not on gun control, not on the Amber Alert lunamagica Mar 2019 #142

Jacobin... SidDithers Mar 2019 #45

Saying Someone Hasn't Evolved Is Not a Positive peggysue2 Mar 2019 #49

Rec this post! Cha Mar 2019 #54

The basic tenet of evolution - survival of the fittest, is often misunderstood ehrnst Mar 2019 #58

That's true. He has old solutions to new problems. Renew Deal Mar 2019 #62

No matter where someone starts, I want to see evolution and growth. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #65

Unlike some people, Trump hasn't evolved. NT WeekiWater Mar 2019 #75

That's unfortunate. Evolution in politics tends to be a good thing. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #76

+1,000,000 highplainsdem Mar 2019 #216

Being a progressive is about, well, progress. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #79

No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted Gothmog Mar 2019 #83

... BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #95

+1000 Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #98

He hasn't evolved on guns either, right?... SidDithers Mar 2019 #102

A very courageous Republican congressman from Vermont named Peter Smith... nycbos Mar 2019 #109

or done much of anything, really. PubliusEnigma Mar 2019 #126

Is that a good thing? Amimnoch Mar 2019 #134

So, he is still against immigration reform? lunamagica Mar 2019 #137

pretty ugly look kennetha Mar 2019 #226

So he hasn't evolved on immigration, gun control, and the Amber Alert? lunamagica Mar 2019 #143

His legislative record says wildly otherwise Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #157

So he's still pro guns??? revmclaren Mar 2019 #144

i think if we go back into any of the candidates back grounds we will find an impressive history.. samnsara Mar 2019 #153

Yup Historic NY Mar 2019 #159

The Iraq war vote is all I need to know roody Mar 2019 #160

This Again? mcar Mar 2019 #195

He strives for the "unreachable star". mia Mar 2019 #202

"The Impossible Dream" Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #208

How does he imagine that the U.S. government can and will finance his "impossible dream" mia Mar 2019 #217

You just implied... zaj Mar 2019 #204

If BS hasn't evolved, that would mean that he's still the same guy who wrote that essay. lapucelle Mar 2019 #218

Not a ringing endorsement. Wonder Cha Mar 2019 #236

True. Apparently he hasn't changed at all. betsuni Mar 2019 #219

That's a rousing endorsement. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #228

I couldn't agree more with Barney. Sums him up nicely. BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #241

So how is that 'attempting to build an independent political party' coming along? nt UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #231

Checking in to see how things go... WeekiWater Mar 2019 #232

Nobody as of yet seems to have noticed that the word "evolved" was in quotation marks because this Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #234

There are so many fun opportunities with the op. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #235