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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
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In reply to the discussion: Biden:' 'He's been talking about Medicare for all for 35 years. Nothing's happened..' [View all]Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)15. No it isn't obvious at all
Lichtenstein has like 38 thousand people. Luxembourg and Montenegro have 500k and 600k people which is the same size as vermont.
There are articles on why it failed. Heres 4 reasons from Forbes. (Theres 6 but I think Im limited to 4 clips?)
1. Vermont insisted on platinum-plated insurance coverage
2. We can move full speed ahead without knowing where the moneys coming from
3. The Vermont plan would have required a 160 percent tax increase
4. Hospitals and insurance companies had every reason to fight the plan
[link:https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/12/21/6-reasons-why-vermonts-single-payer-health-plan-was-doomed-from-the-start|]
More from the Washington Post
[link:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/why-vermonts-single-payer-effort-failed-and-what-democrats-can-learn-from-it/2019/04/29/c9789018-3ab8-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html%3foutputType=amp|]
What I learned the hard way, Shumlin said, is it isnt just about reforming the broken payment system. Public financing will not work until you get costs under control.
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I see no evidence from the Medicare-for-all advocacy community of a serious effort to understand and learn from the lessons from Vermonts failure, said John McDonough, who was a senior aide to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) and is now a professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. Those who ignore history are cursed to repeat it.
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By then, the computer runs kept showing that the only way to set taxes at rates as low as they were striving for was to provide skimpier coverage than most insured Vermonters already had.
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I see no evidence from the Medicare-for-all advocacy community of a serious effort to understand and learn from the lessons from Vermonts failure, said John McDonough, who was a senior aide to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) and is now a professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. Those who ignore history are cursed to repeat it.
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By then, the computer runs kept showing that the only way to set taxes at rates as low as they were striving for was to provide skimpier coverage than most insured Vermonters already had.
I cherry picked some provocative paragraphs. The article is worth reading in my opinion.
I agree we need universal coverage. I think medicare for all is the most politically divisive way to get there. Step one in my opinion is to get a public option up and running so that we dont have to tell people trust us. We can say its these benefits that are delivered today. Go after cutting costs immediately by pharmaceutical reform. Fix some of the other gouging such as the out of network scam. Lower costs will make further coverage reform easier too
Medicare for all is not Medicare so we cant point to that.
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Biden:' 'He's been talking about Medicare for all for 35 years. Nothing's happened..' [View all]
Scurrilous
Feb 2020
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Vermont flatly rejected a version of "Medicare for all" because it was too expensive.....
George II
Feb 2020
#1
Just about all of those countries also have private insurance available and....
George II
Feb 2020
#4
actually, no, I'm not, even tho it can work. At this point, it's too late to ask that.
CTyankee
Feb 2020
#13
Of course it CAN work, but it can't work when at least 43% of the voting public vote for a party
OnDoutside
Feb 2020
#33
California and Colorado backed off once they studied the costs. Legislators didn't have guts to
Hoyt
Feb 2020
#14
wonderful history! I think you are right about Europe. However, we are alone in the entire
CTyankee
Feb 2020
#39
I believe that like minded states banding together to set up their own system will
Blue_true
Feb 2020
#41
If he does, after godhelpus he gets reelected, it will be a great tool in our ads against him.
CTyankee
Feb 2020
#44
Difficult to provide a healthcare system that was hijacked by wall street
democratisphere
Feb 2020
#3
Britain has been privatizing. Don't cite them at least. Their healthcare is a nightmare.
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#27
That's so true. Actually in the UK (and Ireland), they brought in a prescription charge to make
OnDoutside
Feb 2020
#34
What I don't like is when someone uses M4A as a cudgel against other candidates.
Scurrilous
Feb 2020
#20
And when this goes nowhere the DAMAGE that it will do to the Democratic party will be mighty. nt
UniteFightBack
Feb 2020
#9
To be truthful Biden, not a lot has happened in the last 35 years for average and poor America.
Autumn
Feb 2020
#10
Republicans lost so badly in the midterms largely because of the damage they did to the ACA, and
OnDoutside
Feb 2020
#35
They were talking out of the left side of their butt. That was clear and to the point.
OnDoutside
Feb 2020
#36
Thoughtful. Genuine. Relates the big picture. Not policy-bound, strapped to a suite of plans
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#29
His timing is perfect. He needs to score in Nevada. Fair for Bernie to make points against
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#30
Oh of course Biden needs to "differentiate" now and it is absolutely fair for him to do so.
Tom Rinaldo
Feb 2020
#31
Maybe if Joe and other Democrats had been fighting for it too instead of Sanders being the loan wolf
Quixote1818
Feb 2020
#32