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OnDoutside

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33. Of course it CAN work, but it can't work when at least 43% of the voting public vote for a party
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 05:17 PM
Feb 2020

that wants to take away pre-existing conditions. The same public that backed the GOP to "get rid of Obamacare", many of whom didn't realise Obamacare was their loved ACA.

And you add to all that, Democratic voters who actually like their private healthcare policies, who are told you'll have to give up your favourite healthcare policy, to get this super dooper free public healthcare system.

If you can show overwhelming support for an M4A which ends private healthcare, where there is a Democratic President, a Dem House and a Dem Senate where they have over 60 seats, then you might start the conversation, but you better be ready for massive backlash from the private healthcare industry who will explain to their patients that they will now go in a public waiting list, for the healthcare they need today.

With the best will in the world, M4A would be great, but getting to there from here is way too much to get done. The boys at Pod Save America had a fantastic suggestion.

1. Fix the ACA (there's a bipartisan bill there to do it, but McConnell is blocking it currently)
2. Let the private healthcare stay in place, then it's easy to say to people "if you want to stay with your private policy. that's fine". This makes a lot of people happy (even though they may be paying more than they should - that's their choice).
3. Add a Public option by taking a copy of (iirc) Medicare.
4. Let people buy into this affordable Public Option, according to their means, even to the extent that the very poorest will be provided with it for free. You will pretty much be at 100% coverage at that point.
5. Properly fund that public option, so that it is seen to be an effective and affordable policy. Then over time, more people will be willing to join this, rather than private policies.
6. Lower prescription drug costs (in fact, where people are on certain drugs for life, either put them on a Long Term Disability scheme where they get the drugs for free), or have a scheme where most of the drug cost is covered by the government)

As for the Swedes, Danes and French, they pay a LOT of tax to pay for the services they get. It's important to compare apples to apples. It's hard enough to get Americans to pay the tax they DO pay.

As for the British, their NHS is creaking from underfunding by the Tory government (depending where you are, you could wait a week to see a doctor), and that's something to be way about in the US, if there was M4A. Every time the GOP get in, they'd look to cut M4A.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
Vermont flatly rejected a version of "Medicare for all" because it was too expensive..... George II Feb 2020 #1
It can't work statewide, particularly in a small state. CTyankee Feb 2020 #2
Just about all of those countries also have private insurance available and.... George II Feb 2020 #4
You're asking millions of people to take a chance by giving up what OnDoutside Feb 2020 #8
actually, no, I'm not, even tho it can work. At this point, it's too late to ask that. CTyankee Feb 2020 #13
Of course it CAN work, but it can't work when at least 43% of the voting public vote for a party OnDoutside Feb 2020 #33
Canada has approx 38 million citizens. UK approx 66 million. boston bean Feb 2020 #11
California and Colorado backed off once they studied the costs. Legislators didn't have guts to Hoyt Feb 2020 #14
No it isn't obvious at all Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #15
Your statements are contradictory. Blue_true Feb 2020 #38
wonderful history! I think you are right about Europe. However, we are alone in the entire CTyankee Feb 2020 #39
I believe that like minded states banding together to set up their own system will Blue_true Feb 2020 #41
If he does, after godhelpus he gets reelected, it will be a great tool in our ads against him. CTyankee Feb 2020 #44
Difficult to provide a healthcare system that was hijacked by wall street democratisphere Feb 2020 #3
You can't make everything free bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #5
Yikes! Laelth Feb 2020 #7
Canada has approx 38 million citizens. UK approx 66 million. boston bean Feb 2020 #12
Have the Canadians been asked whether they would like our health care system? CTyankee Feb 2020 #16
Not that I know of. boston bean Feb 2020 #17
Britain has been privatizing. Don't cite them at least. Their healthcare is a nightmare. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #27
Overuse is an interesting problem Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #18
That's so true. Actually in the UK (and Ireland), they brought in a prescription charge to make OnDoutside Feb 2020 #34
Credit where it is due. Laelth Feb 2020 #6
What I don't like is when someone uses M4A as a cudgel against other candidates. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #20
I hear that and agree with the sentiment. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #21
Thanks. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #24
And when this goes nowhere the DAMAGE that it will do to the Democratic party will be mighty. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #9
To be truthful Biden, not a lot has happened in the last 35 years for average and poor America. Autumn Feb 2020 #10
Republicans lost so badly in the midterms largely because of the damage they did to the ACA, and OnDoutside Feb 2020 #35
Joe was great on Meet the Press Gothmog Feb 2020 #19
Good to know! Cha Feb 2020 #22
There was concern expressed on another thread that he looked tired. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #28
They were talking out of the left side of their butt. That was clear and to the point. OnDoutside Feb 2020 #36
Yep. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #37
Thoughtful. Genuine. Relates the big picture. Not policy-bound, strapped to a suite of plans emmaverybo Feb 2020 #29
The Revolution comes first. dalton99a Feb 2020 #23
Per minute? Scurrilous Feb 2020 #25
Joe's timing is off to make this claim now Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #26
His timing is perfect. He needs to score in Nevada. Fair for Bernie to make points against emmaverybo Feb 2020 #30
Oh of course Biden needs to "differentiate" now and it is absolutely fair for him to do so. Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #31
Maybe if Joe and other Democrats had been fighting for it too instead of Sanders being the loan wolf Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #32
Affordable Care Act, anyone? If this country had the sense God gave a flea & elected a Dem Senate Hekate Feb 2020 #43
If they couldn't even pass Obamacare with a public option TexasBushwhacker Feb 2020 #40
Rainbows and unicorns... the usual Burnie bull$hit. Still In Wisconsin Feb 2020 #42
What an asinine statement. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #45
President Obama landed on the moon March 23, 2010. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #46
I agree with Joe DesertRat Feb 2020 #47
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