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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:50 PM Original message |
Cop: Teens Beheaded, Burned Man For Thrill |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. Is this a "HATE CRIME?" |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Excellent, Excellent Point |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Yeah Right, I'm Sure This Is True |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Eek...Good point, but away from this one. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. I do not know. but good question |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Apparently, the killers didn't have the man's rap sheet in hand |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
73. Not every such crime is a hate crime, so that the prosecution has |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
79. The authorities need to check their computers, if any |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. wrong people so it won't get the hate crime stamp |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
35. I read the article, and found no mention that he was targetted for that reason. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
56. Wait, what? This guy wasn't born a sex offender. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:15 AM Response to Reply #56 |
70. Another poster said this wasn't a "class of people" |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
80. It's a felony in MI, as I understand it, |
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leaninglib (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
68. That depends on whether or not the victim is one of the "preferred classes." |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
89. Was this crime meant to cause fear and intimidation for an entire group or class of people? |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. Holy shit! |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. They need a medal for bravery and an invitation |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
6. Looks like the guy they killed was a dirtbag. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. So since he was "a dirtbag," it wasn't a hate crime? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. It looks like a thrill kill. |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. You are kidding, right? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Not in the least. I said I don't feel bad for him... |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #20 |
91. Do you know what he was a sex offender for? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. Read other comments in the thread for more info. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Maybe you're missing my point |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
38. Except murder isn't murder |
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DLnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
39. No one life is more valuable than any other, true. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. Exactly. "Sex offender" isn't an inborn trait that murderers target. |
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boilinmad (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
71. Altman... |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
93. Actually, it sounds like a hate crime under your definition. |
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DLnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Half-right, I think. |
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NoGodsNoMasters (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
41. Rediculous. |
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angstlessk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. the guy was 17 and had sex with a 14 year old...(he thought was 16??) |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. So, as some would advocate: |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Welcome to DU. |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #19 |
69. Ding! ding! ding! You win the prize! |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. i did NOT say he deserved it. |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I didn't cite you specifically, I cited your mentality which is common |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. 'my mentality'? |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. wow... |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. I said that oftentimes the sex offender status is kind of arbitrary. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
63. yes, I understand... |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. thanks for actually listening to what i was trying to say. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:11 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. you're welcome bro n/t |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. You nailed the mentaility. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. looks like this guy got stuck with the sex offender status unfairly. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Ah. You're OK with the state killing people... |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Excuse me? When did I say that? |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #45 |
81. Ronnie died of old age |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. no, |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. yeah, above i had said... |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 02:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
66. Some strange people post on "Du these days, very strange. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
84. care to elaborate? |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Yes I should I guess, I find it a bit unsettling that some here view a seventeen year old |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #88 |
98. i don't support that. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #9 |
74. IA, that ought not to go on the sex offender registry |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. just another example of our 'justice' system at work... |
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NeoConsSuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. knuckleheads? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. or 'disgusting human refuse' if you prefer. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. And that death penalty attitude you exhibit is exactly why America has a violence problem |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Excuse me? |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Excuse me? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
58. Whoa there, bucko. I don't live in a death penalty culture |
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DrZeeLit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
37. Whoa... I'm speechless with your regard for human life. Since when |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. I admit I did have a kneejerk response to the words 'sex offender' |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. It really doesn't matter that you didn't know all the details, you still have little value for human |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. How and where did I express that? |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
92. Once again, be careful. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
50. I think you mean "disregard". n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
59. Deleted message |
Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Wow. You called me psychotic. |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
72. Are you sure? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Read my other responses in the thread. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
75. Why feel no sympathy when death was not what he deserved? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Read my other responses in the thread...I judged too quickly. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
86. I wrote an OP about sex offenders, for anyone interested in hearing what I had to say. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
13. It is because of shit like this that all those "scarlet letter" laws |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. and they will live with it-the rest of their lives. not fair. |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. Exactly. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. I have a link - sorry it's Fox |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
26. Their pics |
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KayLaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. They look insane |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Someone peed in that guy's gene pool for sure. |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. No, that's an emotional response without reason. |
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Blue Diadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. That is exactly what I thought. But it was the other kid, Orlewicz |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:11 AM Response to Reply #43 |
67. That guy should.. |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
87. Tattoo is BACK! And he's REALLY PISSED! |
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NoGodsNoMasters (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
40. Lot of particulars... |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. I agree, this shows the arbitrary nature of 'sex offender' status. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. His past convictions are completely irrelevant to the story. |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
53. Shadows of "A Clockwork Orange" but even more brutal than the 1971 film |
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Feral Libertarian (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
55. Their parents must be so proud......... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
76. Read my sig line. nt |
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Corgigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
77. They wanted to do a "Dexter" |
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The Animator (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
78. I've heard you can get "sex offender" status for mooning someone. |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. There ARE ratings. |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
95. Come on People they sawed his head off..... Torture... torture |
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kurth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
96. Rx: Waterboarding q 3 h, then |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
99. Sounds like Murder 1 |
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