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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:43 AM Original message |
Attack is act of 'state terrorism' - Turkey |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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CynicalObserver (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. I have yet to see anyone understand that the legal definition |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Please tell me there is someone who can |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Please tell me there is someone who can |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
66. You mean it's legal? |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #66 |
93. +1 |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #43 |
79. Sophistry: a definition does not "allow" anything. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 03:02 AM Response to Reply #43 |
82. You should be asking someone to explain "illegal blockade" to you. n/t |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #82 |
101. LOL |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
99. You mean like the blockade that the Exodus ran in 1947? |
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The Second Stone (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
106. Assuming all your facts, that still doesn't allow deadly force |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. The blockade is illegal. It is collective punishment and violates Article 33 |
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FBI_Un_Sub (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
111. Why go to Navy Regs |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
2. Totally agree, and this shit has to be stopped. n/t |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
3. ...and yet this fucked up country blindly supports them. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
35. As though people here in states facing massive deficits couldn't use some |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #35 |
91. +1 trillion. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
104. Birds of a feather... n/t |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
4. Some can never bring themselves to criticize Israeli actions... |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. for some, nothing can change that |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Agree with your post. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
5. What will NATO do? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
24. This was not a turkish military vessel and has shit to do with NATO |
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cosmicone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #24 |
95. It is still an act of war against Turkey and NATO. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yes it is. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. Turkey says navy will accompany future shipments |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. also Israeli lawyers petition court, call it piracy |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Then they will have a naval engagement. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
55. If it's evident that Turkish vessels will come under fire... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
70. It's not about whether there's a right to do so- but whether a nation has the power to do so |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Fair enough |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Israel and the US only care about legalities when they believe it suits their interests |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:01 AM Response to Reply #55 |
86. Meanwhile our military industrial complex would probably like a war like this... |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #25 |
112. If Turkey wants war with Israel, they will have it. Just like the |
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Eric Condon (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
10. Isn't "state terrorism" the very definition of war? nt |
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SnakeEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
11. I wonder what Turkey would do |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. The people aboard didn't really have a choice to "refuse" |
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SnakeEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Sure they can refuse. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. this wasn't in Israel's territorial waters |
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cosmicone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. The aid flotilla was NOT in Israeli waters. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. I wonder what other countries would do |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. I'm sure they would do what any country would do. The problem |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. n/m |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. Interesting question |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #11 |
90. DEFINE: territorial waters? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
15. Agree . . . a terrorist act by Israel . . . |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Quelle supreeeeeez! nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Are you saying Israel was defending themselves ? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Exactly that.. Here is the video.. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Tossing pirates off and defending your boat in international waters |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
58. Well that boat is impounded and pipe guys are dead |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. You sound absolutely thrilled.... |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #75 |
100. Someone spent a long, lusty night polishing his gun. |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:34 AM Response to Reply #75 |
113. The guy appears to be creamin' his panties over the death |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
96. Think part of what they expect is due to the strong military/$$$ backing from US ... |
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Bert (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
62. And you are an adult? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. The 5 other boats that did not act violently were not harmed |
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kas125 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:46 AM Response to Reply #33 |
77. And here - this is for you - the video that you've spent the |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
42. Have you read any of my posts. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
59. No its inline with established maritime law. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 10:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
73. Again, naval blockades don't apply to international waters |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. You can say that till you are blue in the face |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #76 |
105. I'll second that view . . . I have a long "ignore" list based simply |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
103. I get you now . . . at the time I only read the one I replied to . . . my apologies .... |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Accepted, I kinda knew that anyway. nt |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
16. That's exactly what it was, but they know they have nothing to fear at the UN with US on their side |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
108. Well you were right on that on.....but then we all new how our |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
18. K&R |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
23. The Turkish delegate at the emergency UNSEC meeting gave Israel... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. You cant just sail into someones nation. No matter who you are. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I'm sorry, your argument is neither compelling nor convincing. (shrug) n/t |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Maritime law is really boring. Unlike most, it has no pet in this conflict. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. The Brits were in Iranian waters |
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CynicalObserver (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. You might consider that the world (legally) disagrees with you. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Yeah, that must be the root cause of the worldwide condemnation of this |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Just how I was going to respond to our 'friend' n/t |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
61. Hamas and Israel are at war. The blockade, an extension of that war. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. I understand that |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. The world disagrees with you. You're wasting your time |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Hey look at all the innocent unarmed guys swinging pipes here. They are saying hello |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. You continue to ignore the fact that they never should have |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Board my boat illegally, and I will defend myself |
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Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. So you think it's OK to kill over a boat |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Over a boat? Nope |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Check the video quick draw. No pointed guns |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. And they were justified to knock the shit out of anyone illegally boarding their boat |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Well, if you beat a USCG boarding team like that they will kill you |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. See my reply below |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #64 |
87. What exactly is your response to the assertion that |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:48 AM Response to Reply #60 |
78. You would defend yourself if someone kicked in your front door, right? |
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crim son (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:02 AM Response to Reply #78 |
88. S/he seems to be suggesting that the "door" belonged to Israel. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
110. In this case, the 'door' belonged, in a legal sense, to the nation of Turkey. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. And the USCG will put a shotgun blast in your chest. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. I'm afraid you're only slightly right |
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CynicalObserver (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. You are the sole voice of reason on this thread. ntxt. |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. And birds of a feather flock together n/t |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. That they do |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
102. Are you also opposed to the Exodus breaking the blockade in 1947? |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
34. K&R - Put sanctions on fascist Israel! Now! |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
40. From the country that gave the world a real genocide. nt |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Directed towards a country that denies the existence of said genocide |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. Maybe they invade israel, like cyprus? |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. Oh, something's going to come of this |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 05:21 AM Response to Reply #69 |
83. This could end badly for Turkey |
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Andronex (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:55 AM Response to Original message |
80. Forget about international waters... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 03:01 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Exactly right. Israel has no jurisdiction there, either. n/t |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 05:27 AM Response to Original message |
84. Israel has handed Turkey a two edge sword that can hurt Turkey badly |
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madchick44 (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:10 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. So our Christian friends in Turkey must roll over and avccept |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Don't put words in my mouth |
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94. It Was indeed a Terrorist Act |
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