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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 09:59 PM Original message |
Let's talk about racial issues now, shall we? |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:07 PM Original message |
I'm not half, but I AM mixed race. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
60. Yes, he does have the right attitude, doesn't he? Thanks for your reply. |
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From The Ashes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. Redstone: |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. Red, that broke my heart. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Your reply contained many, many truths. Thank you. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. Deleted sub-thread |
CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. My dear Redstone... |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
5. Ah, Redstone, your post makes me ache for Mrs. R. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Deleted message |
SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. It's a "him" and I'm ashamed to say that he shares my city. |
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RevCheesehead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm not sure there are simple answers here. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Oh no, no simple answers except one: I have to love her. But that's an easy thing |
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RevCheesehead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I hope this turns into an opportunity for healing. |
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KitchenWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. "I think even Jesus would call him a douchebag." |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. "Even Jesus would call him a douchebag?" Good Lord, you made me laugh |
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RevCheesehead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Glad I could help. |
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fizzgig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
7. i don't have any advice |
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laylah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
92. What a remarkable |
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KitchenWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
8. I have no words of wisdom, just an ear and a shoulder |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
12. be there for her and support her. encourage her to see the good in her discovery. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Thanks, EH. You understand, and I appreciate it. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. i work with some kids that come from racist backgrounds.... |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. You know what? You're a saint... |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. i'm about as far from a saint as it gets... |
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IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
43. This is one of the very best reasons to prohibit home-schooling and religious schools. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:19 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Exactly. |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:21 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Those kinds of parents hope they never learn how to do that. n/t |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. when i was in high school, still somewhat young and innocent... |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. That's horrible. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. ...in the same book there were pictures of happy smiling children... |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I wish there was some way to wipe out that kind of hatred. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:52 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. i'd like to believe that one day... |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 03:17 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Probably not in our lifetime, but like you, I hope so eventually. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
104. It's worth fighting for, if even just to ensure a chance that generations form now... |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
16. My advice |
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idgiehkt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. great post |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Thank you SO much for your reply...It's even more complicated for us because |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. well, she knew them |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. "We are in an era of multiplicity and variance." Are there any truer words than that? |
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Kutjara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
18. Here's my two cents worth, Red. |
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VLC (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. That is just astounding |
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Kutjara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I'm not sure I've got past all of it, but... |
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VLC (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Yeah, I think a lot of people never quite get over what their families to do them |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Your "two cents" are worth more than you will ever know. Thank you. I know that |
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Kutjara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. You're more than welcome, Red. Often it helps just to know... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
20. The idea "race" is very flexible nonsense: it is an empty vessel into which |
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idgiehkt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. well said |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
21. Thank you, admins, for the "ignore" function. It was well-needed tonight. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
23. I am sorry to hear this |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
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idgiehkt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
28. that comment from your son warmed my heart |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Thank you for your post. Thank you very much. |
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fortyfeetunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
36. Heritage can be a beautiful thing...read Roots |
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Beausoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
42. Wow. As a white mom who has multi-racial kids, the only advice I can give is that |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. agreed... |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
44. ....... |
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Beausoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #44 |
105. Who is that exquisitely beautiful child? |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. I'd like to know, too. She's gorgeous. And by the way, |
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Beausoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. You are most welcome, nice man. Sorry about the assholery that went on for awhile. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
48. I have nothing to add. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Merh! You know that you are never beyond our thoughts, either. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
51. Deleted message |
Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #51 |
67. Of course there's African in there. The Indians here in Connecticut have taken a lot of flak |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #67 |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. "Accepted standards" of beauty are not, actually, part of her problem. Her ethnicity |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #78 |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. You may not believe it, but I know EXACTLY what you're saying. |
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laylah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #78 |
98. Oh my! |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #98 |
109. I'd like to thank you for saying that, and also to let everyone know that the deleted posts |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
88. to continue your point |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
56. That's something that's hard for me to grasp because I grew up in such a liberal household. |
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nadine_mn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 05:44 AM Original message |
You are already doing it - unconditional love |
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nadine_mn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 05:44 AM Response to Original message |
58. You are already doing it - unconditional love |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Do you have kids? If not, here's some good news for you if you intend to: |
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MissMillie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
61. isn't it just terrible that when people look at each other, what they always notice first |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #61 |
68. Excellent questions. Maybe some day we'll get some answers to them. |
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MissMillie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #68 |
76. I'm sorry that your wife's family behaved so badly |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
62. I'm happy with my mixed race self |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #62 |
70. I keep telling her what you said. I'll show her your post, because it might |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
63. Your Son Is Very Wise |
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Tektonik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
64. good to see this thread cleaned up |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #64 |
73. Yes, it got extraordinarily ugly, didn't it? And for not other reason than because |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
65. Honestly, my kneejerk reaction to this would be to say |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Oh, don't think I haven't told her exactly that, and more than once. Hey, you don't have to have |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. You're welcome. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
66. Continued PDA's. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #66 |
77. Excellent advice. I'll do that. And thank you. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. No cover charge! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
69. I don't have a clue... other than just be there for her and support her... |
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againes654 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
72. Well you have received so much great advice |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
81. Sorry, but I cannot understand at all why she would feel any shame. |
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Fran Kubelik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Redstone doesn't |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. I understand that Redstone doesn't. I cannot comprehend the feeling of shame. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Because she was MADE to feel ashamed by her family. Neither you or I can possibly |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. That is not pleasant. Does she look white? nt. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. no. she is brownish. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Not really. You can look upthread for a picture of us. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Ok, I had images off. Much of what I could say on this subject would only offend... |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
87. 1.3 cents: You can't just deal with the racial aspect, got to deal with the family rejection aspect. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. Yes, indeed. That IS the key, and I've been working on it. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. I hope that she can move beyond that hold too. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. You call me "a big lug Yankee," do you? Well, guess what: |
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WritingIsMyReligion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
90. All I can say is that I'm glad she has you for a husband. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. The deleted subthreads were because a defective excuse for a human being barged in, spewing |
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WritingIsMyReligion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Ah, defective human beings. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 09:13 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Another one. Unfortunately, with DU being a "big tent" place, there's room here for more than one |
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1gobluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
94. What is WRONG with people? |
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YDogg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
99. Your love for her and for each other will see you both through. |
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mwdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-04-07 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
100. Your wife is a beautiful woman, |
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FloridaJudy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
106. Your son sounds awesome. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Yes. It is indeed awesome to consider how the world would be such a better place if |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-05-07 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
110. She must have had a glorious time growing up on the Seychelles. |
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